Bury v Bees Match Reports & Reactions

[Garybaldbee]

Given our heightened expectations that has to be considered a slightly disappointing start to the season I'm afraid. Bury were poor and the three points were there for the taking but the old failings from last season prevented us from taking advantage.

We were composed, solid and at times played some nice measured football, clearly much the better side, but on a warm afternoon (though much cooler than London) in front of a tiny crowd in a three quarters empty ground it all seemed a bit lethargic and pre- season like. We were overly cautious, playing essentially 5 at the back, and for all the neat approach play lacked real attacking intent or numbers in the box. Clayton led the line as he always does, energetically running the channels and showing some nice touches outside the box but spoiled things with powder puff finishing - he had our only real clear cut chance of the match in injury time but shot tentatively into the side netting from an angle. Farid came on for half an hour and was pretty anonymous though his height tempted one or two more direct balls into the far post.

Foreshaw showed hints of what is hopefully to come, providing the momentum to drive us forward from midfield but when he went off with 20 minutes to go (presumably due to fitness issues - he had been suffering from cramp minutes before) we lost our impetus and Bury could even have nicked an undeserved win near the end. Two or three times they got behind the defence. Moore saved smartly twice and they had what looked from the far end like a stonewall penalty turned down.

On paper a point away from home to start the season cant be bad. The frustration is that we are nearly a very good team but don't yet seem to have the confidence or formation to make the most of what we have.

[maddogging]

Thank you for what seems like a very honest and well written report, certainly clears up some issues such as Forshaw cramping up before he came off

[Lestabee]

Forshaw gets my Nod for motm, dean played well. Thought Barron looked a bit shaky but steadily grew into the game. Craig looked good and strong as did Leon. Forshaw was full of running energy and Drive. Felt we lost a lot with Sam playing in "the hole" floated in and out the game too much and couldn't get into his rhythm.

I would have thought he whole pre season we'd off found some else with a long throw other than Clayton! Overall would take a point as they had a certain penalty from where I was looking turned down, as we had what looked a perfectly good goal turned down but for an offside. I know it's early days but if we're serious with a top 7 push we have to put teams like bury who are a poor team away.

Up the bees

[josht]

A bit typical really. We played 5-3-1-1 it seemed in the first half. With those three centre backs we're not going to lose much in the air, we'll close down quickly and be quite comfortable at the back - something which was apparent today, apart from the odd worrying moment towards the end.

Those four in midfield dominated, Douglas anchored ok, Toumani tidied things up well, Forshaw attacked and Sam tried to create stuff. I thought our midfield controlled the first half, and we seemed to be quite comfortable. However I'm sure 99% of those Brentford fans today could quite easily guess that we'd struggle up front with Donaldson on his own. It was painfully obvious this was going to happen. Sure enough, when the game opened up in the second half Donaldson was knackered and could barely contribute to our forward play. If we were the sort of team to score one or two from four chances, then this formation would be fine, but not only do we struggle to create chances we're also extremely wasteful.

I thought Farid looked pretty useful when he came on, but there was little in the way of support from an extremely defensive three man midfield which, by that point consisted of Toumani, Douglas and O'Connor. Was a bit worrying to see that, through Moore, we were the team running down the clock towards the end... Unfortunately I think that speaks volumes.

Forshaw had a very decent game, and I thought our back three all played pretty well. Moore made one excellent save it seemed - despite some interesting kicking from hIm - and Barron had a fairly decent debut. Our movement of the ball in the first half was also pretty good, and we seemed to start things off well. Hopefully our lack of chances in the second half (not sure how many, if any, we had on target in the second half) is more down to our players returning to full match fitness and sharpness than anything else.

There's room for improvement, and I'm certainly sure it'll happen. Sooner rather than later would be nice though.

[Bill Benn]

Just on train back,thought l would post this before I go to buffet and drown my memories of this game.we played with 5 across the back to stifle what was a poor Bury side.barron looked Ok apart from bottling a 50 50 that would have got him lynched at the den the rest of the defence was comfortable.Forshaw was outstanding reminded me of sidwell and seemed to be running our midfield when he was replaced by Kev.hope the above explanation is right as it pissed me of and others around me.Cant. Remember their keeper pulling off any saves.We were by far the better side with our passing and approach play but there was. O end product.Farid looked lively but other than a header that went over failed to impress Dave did his usual good then goes missing for 20 mins.Douglas ok Saunders got the Hump when subbed.Kev was poor when he came on and how Clayton stayed on l will never know for a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too often he gave the ball away that end up with them getting a good penalty shout.With Hayes now signed we should be looking to start getting Goals and it will be interesting to see Tuesday's line up.This result isnt the end of the world But please Uwe Don't be so negative it was obvious we came for a draw even Moore was time wasting Bury we're there for the taking as we will see in their next game. Off to the bar

[blunstone]

thanks guys.

[GABS]

With Hayes now signed ...

What?

[NorthamptonBee]

What a wonderful point to get, it's a shame that Uwe's negativety left the other two up there. 3 CBs v Bury for 90 minutes is shit, when KOC was coming on I had visions of a CB going off, KOC sitting in front and giving the ineffectual Dave and Douglas the licence to thrill, no we sat on one point and produced nothing for 20 minutes after near total 2nd half domination up until that point, a goal was coming but not after that sub. Forshaw looks class to me, Logan linked well and did his mopping up, the 3 CBs were rarely troubled by Bury's loan man up top, Barron had a decent enough debut, Moore was commanding with better kicking than at Walsall, some went astray. Donaldson had an iffy afternoon and Farid didn't really do much or have much thrown his way.
Fredericks comes on for 3 minutes and we throw Logan to LB, why please as it seems a touch weird to me?
A very good day out ruined by 90 minutes where we were by far the better team without a cutting edge or without any positivity thrown into the mix when Bury were there for the taking IMO.

[RitchBee]

I guess Forshaw going off was down to fitness which was a shame as he was bossing the second half up to when he went off. At that point we changed as a team and lost our way and handed the initiative back to Bury. Three points up for grabs and through negative tactics at in the last 20 mins. Rather than bringing on Forrester to freshen things up we bring on KOC.

[Sunbury Bee]

Sadly it seems like lessons for last season have not been learnt by Uwe! I really hope that Hayes is signing on Monday and that he gives us something up front but we will make the chances for him?

[NorthamptonBee]

I guess Forshaw going off was down to fitness which was a shame as he was bossing the second half up to when he went off. At that point we changed as a team and lost our way and handed the initiative back to Bury. Three points up for grabs and through negative tactics at in the last 20 mins. Rather than bringing on Forrester to freshen things up we bring on KOC.

Either great minds or a pair of cyber idiotic managers think alike.

[Voice from the Braemar]

What a wonderful point to get, it's a shame that Uwe's negativety left the other two up there. 3 CBs v Bury for 90 minutes is shit, when KOC was coming on I had visions of a CB going off, KOC sitting in front and giving the ineffectual Dave and Douglas the licence to thrill, no we sat on one point and produced nothing for 20 minutes after near total 2nd half domination up until that point, a goal was coming but not after that sub. Forshaw looks class to me, Logan linked well and did his mopping up, the 3 CBs were rarely troubled by Bury's loan man up top, Barron had a decent enough debut, Moore was commanding with better kicking than at Walsall, some went astray. Donaldson had an iffy afternoon and Farid didn't really do much or have much thrown his way.
Fredericks comes on for 3 minutes and we throw Logan to LB, why please as it seems a touch weird to me?
A very good day out ruined by 90 minutes where we were by far the better team without a cutting edge or without any positivity thrown into the mix when Bury were there for the taking IMO.

as ive said all along, i just dont think uwe is good enough tactically to get us out of this division,,,,,,i really hope he can prove me wrong but ive got more than a sneaking suspicion that herr rosler wont be here by october 1st

saying that ill take a point away 1st game BUT we need at least 4 points from the next 2 home games,,,,,,in fact we need 6 points if we want to establish ourselves at the front of this pretty poor division......6 points please

[RitchBee]

Either great minds or a pair of cyber idiotic managers think alike.

Seen us miss out on too many games the over the years like this one. A positive outlook on the game for that period just may have won those extra points. Saw you there but didn't get a chance to say hello. Liked KB's shirt!

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Either great minds or a pair of cyber idiotic managers think alike.

It was a very odd substitution - surely Forrester for Forshaw would've been a better option, assuming of course Forshaw needed to be hooked in the first place.

The midfield at the moment isn't working for me, either that or the players playing in it aren't performing well enough. Dave tried hard but struggled to make an impact whilst Saunders and Douglas again contributed far too little. Forshaw was the stand out performer and any impetus we had going forward effectively ended when he came off.

I know Donaldson came in for some criticism during the game, but for me, he's being sold short by the midfield at the moment. If you want to play one up top, then you are reliant on the midfield to get up and support him and too often today, Donaldson was left isolated and doing too much good work running the channels and holding the ball up for players who never came. By the time Farid came on, Donaldson was virtually a spent force and a poor last ten from him almost cost us dear.

On the subject of Farid, he looks a handful but is literally miles away from full fitness IMO, blowing after only fifteen minutes. He'll take some considerable time to get up to speed so I hope the rumours of Hayes' impending arrival are true as Clayton is in desperate need of a partner and with one up top, we once again look to be a team who won't score enough.

Still, early days yet and a couple of new faces before transfer deadline will, I think, see us there or around the top seven places come the end of the season. Uwe must learn though that teams who are aiming for promotion from this league will go to places like Bury looking for all three points, not to settle for just one, and a braver, more positive mentality is required on days like these.

[Keighley Bee]

For the first game of the season that all felt rather flat. With three big CBs we were seldom troubled at the back, but then there was a large void up front. Our main attacking ploy was all 3 CBs going forward for a Clayton long throw; very little came of any of them. I really feel Clayton is a fine player and I would be devastated to lose him, but as things stand he ain't going to get the goals we need on his own. Farid was so-so when he came on, though within a couple of minutes of his arrival, Logan had sent two long crosses to the far post and Farid was at least challenging, albeit unsuccessfully, for both.
When we signed Forshaw I doubted that we really needed yet another lightweight midfielder, but he is going to be a big player for us, my MOTM today.
I have no problem with Moore in goal in place of Lee, but if his kicking today was better than at Walsall, then it must have been pretty poor there.
Saunders achieved little, but I am a committed Forrester fan and would have preferred to see him start today. That he did not get on at all was most disappointing.
Barron's debut was encouraging apart from the one bottled challenge.
In fact nobody had a shocker, and with a bit more adventure we could have taken all three points, instead, with the changes made in the second half we ended up hanging on for a point.

[Voice from the Braemar]

It was a very odd substitution - surely Forrester for Forshaw would've been a better option, assuming of course Forshaw needed to be hooked in the first place.

The midfield at the moment isn't working for me, either that or the players playing in it aren't performing well enough. Dave tried hard but struggled to make an impact whilst Saunders and Douglas again contributed far too little. Forshaw was the stand out performer and any impetus we had going forward effectively ended when he came off.

I know Donaldson came in for some criticism during the game, but for me, he's being sold short by the midfield at the moment. If you want to play one up top, then you are reliant on the midfield to get up and support him and too often today, Donaldson was left isolated and doing too much good work running the channels and holding the ball up for players who never came. By the time Farid came on, Donaldson was virtually a spent force and a poor last ten from him almost cost us dear.

On the subject of Farid, he looks a handful but is literally miles away from full fitness IMO, blowing after only fifteen minutes. He'll take some considerable time to get up to speed so I hope the rumours of Hayes' impending arrival are true as Clayton is in desperate need of a partner and with one up top, we once again look to be a team who won't score enough.

Still, early days yet and a couple of new faces before transfer deadline will, I think, see us there or around the top seven places come the end of the season. Uwe must learn though that teams who are aiming for promotion from this league will go to places like Bury looking for all three points, not to settle for just one, and a braver, more positive mentality is required on days like these.

the last paragraph says it all,,,,,,,far too defensive minded and that wont get us anywhere.....if this season mirrors last season theres gonna be a lot of unhappy people at gp

[beebopalula]

as ive said all along, i just dont think uwe is good enough tactically to get us out of this division,,,,,,i really hope he can prove me wrong but ive got more than a sneaking suspicion that herr rosler wont be here by october 1st

saying that ill take a point away 1st game BUT we need at least 4 points from the next 2 home games,,,,,,in fact we need 6 points if we want to establish ourselves at the front of this pretty poor division......6 points please

Are you really suggesting that after three games and with 43 to go we could be out of contention for anything? No team is established anywhere after three games.

[DaveyC]

23 x 3
23 x 1
= 92pts

Every one helps at the end of the day. Win your home games, don't lose your aways.

Performances will come......

Dont forget the giant flags & red smoke flares on Tuesday night all you ultras in the Ealing Rd.

YOU REDS!!

[Brentford_till_die]

It was a very odd substitution - surely Forrester for Forshaw would've been a better option, assuming of course Forshaw needed to be hooked in the first place.

The midfield at the moment isn't working for me, either that or the players playing in it aren't performing well enough. Dave tried hard but struggled to make an impact whilst Saunders and Douglas again contributed far too little. Forshaw was the stand out performer and any impetus we had going forward effectively ended when he came off.

I know Donaldson came in for some criticism during the game, but for me, he's being sold short by the midfield at the moment. If you want to play one up top, then you are reliant on the midfield to get up and support him and too often today, Donaldson was left isolated and doing too much good work running the channels and holding the ball up for players who never came. By the time Farid came on, Donaldson was virtually a spent force and a poor last ten from him almost cost us dear.

On the subject of Farid, he looks a handful but is literally miles away from full fitness IMO, blowing after only fifteen minutes. He'll take some considerable time to get up to speed so I hope the rumours of Hayes' impending arrival are true as Clayton is in desperate need of a partner and with one up top, we once again look to be a team who won't score enough.

Still, early days yet and a couple of new faces before transfer deadline will, I think, see us there or around the top seven places come the end of the season. Uwe must learn though that teams who are aiming for promotion from this league will go to places like Bury looking for all three points, not to settle for just one, and a braver, more positive mentality is required on days like these.

Good post.

5-3-1-1 we started today and it didnt work going forward. We look alright at the back and can play the ball around a bit but our midfield our struggling to commit and make things happen going forward.

Forshaw has been really good in the last two games.

Barron settled in fine, linked up with others, made some
good challenges and it forward well.

Kevin game on for his 400th league appearance and put in another good shift

Donaldson also had a very good game but him taking the throw ins has got to stop especially with no other strikers on the pitch. Straight from the off today we used Clayton to launch one in the box and continued to do it every other time. Looks very desperate and sends out the wrong vibe to the other team. For all of his throws and Huntys we have onlu ever managed one goal. I don't mind if we're trying to get back in the game late on but at least mix it up you don't have to launch them into the box every time.

We look very poor from set pieces, especially corners. I don't think in the last two games we have won a single header from a corner, very wasteful many times over hit.

A point away from home is good at the end of the day. Disappointing the way we played and seemed to settle for the point but you don't want to lose your first game, pick up draws away and win your homes

The season is 46 games long, not one

[Brentford_till_die]

For the first game of the season that all felt rather flat. With three big CBs we were seldom troubled at the back, but then there was a large void up front. Our main attacking ploy was all 3 CBs going forward for a Clayton long throw; very little came of any of them. I really feel Clayton is a fine player and I would be devastated to lose him, but as things stand he ain't going to get the goals we need on his own. Farid was so-so when he came on, though within a couple of minutes of his arrival, Logan had sent two long crosses to the far post and Farid was at least challenging, albeit unsuccessfully, for both.
When we signed Forshaw I doubted that we really needed yet another lightweight midfielder, but he is going to be a big player for us, my MOTM today.
I have no problem with Moore in goal in place of Lee, but if his kicking today was better than at Walsall, then it must have been pretty poor there.
Saunders achieved little, but I am a committed Forrester fan and would have preferred to see him start today. That he did not get on at all was most disappointing.
Barron's debut was encouraging apart from the one bottled challenge.
In fact nobody had a shocker, and with a bit more adventure we could have taken all three points, instead, with the changes made in the second half we ended up hanging on for a point.

Agree

[Voice from the Braemar]

Are you really suggesting that after three games and with 43 to go we could be out of contention for anything? No team is established anywhere after three games.

im saying that weve played in 2 competitive games and we havnt scored in either,,,,,,to win a league we might have to put a few in the onion bag,,,,,even someone of your greater wisdom must understand that???? its not the greatest start and we need to win the next 2 games to get the confidence going.....i;ll tell you now that if we lose the next 2 then its gonna be very difficult to change things,,,,,,anyway, im sure we;re gonna win both games so shouldnt be a problem

if we dont i can see an old thread being bumped up a bit LOL

[JTofBFC]

Rosler set us u for a 0-0 against what will prove to be one of the divisions weaker teams and that's what we got. If he is happy with that maybe it indicates a lack of ambition.

One striker up front is bad enough but when that one is someone who constantly gets drawn out to the wing , or spends half the game taking pointless long throw ins then it is doubly frustrating. Irrelevant really because he doesn't have the ability to finish even if he was in the box. Noticeable that within 5 minutes of being on the pitch Farid was seen challenging the keeper for at least 3 long crosses, something that CD had failed to do for the previous hour. I'm sorry but i remain to be convinced that Donaldson has any part to play in a promotion campaign.

Aside from that, impressed with Craig and Forshaw and less so with Barron who doesn't seem much different to Woodman to me. Moore's kicking was abysmal. Is there a story to the Richard Lee unexplained absence?

Relatively unimpressed today and no goals in the first two competitive games tells its own story . I'm not going to bang on about Weston scoring today because I never rated him and am glad he is gone but noticeable Barnard scored on his Bournemouth debut. We are either playing with the big boys in this league or we're not.

[Winchester Bee]

Rosler set us u for a 0-0 against what will prove to be one of the divisions weaker teams and that's what we got. If he is happy with that maybe it indicates a lack of ambition.

One striker up front is bad enough but when that one is someone who constantly gets drawn out to the wing , or spends half the game taking pointless long throw ins then it is doubly frustrating. Irrelevant really because he doesn't have the ability to finish even if he was in the box. Noticeable that within 5 minutes of being on the pitch Farid was seen challenging the keeper for at least 3 long crosses, something that CD had failed to do for the previous hour. I'm sorry but i remain to be convinced that Donaldson has any part to play in a promotion campaign.

Aside from that, impressed with Craig and Forshaw and less so with Barron who doesn't seem much different to Woodman to me. Moore's kicking was abysmal. Is there a story to the Richard Lee unexplained absence?

Relatively unimpressed today and no goals in the first two competitive games tells its own story . I'm not going to bang on about Weston scoring today because I never rated him and am glad he is gone but noticeable Barnard scored on his Bournemouth debut. We are either playing with the big boys in this league or we're not.

Agree with you JT we were far too respectful to Bury, if we were playing one of the top sides in the division then fair enough but we should be taking the game to the bottom side's and having a real go, for me this performance is just not acceptable and I don't blame the players they put the effort in they are playing the formation, maybe I should have taken a negative attitude this morning and stayed at home instead of making the effort to drive a 440 mile round trip-Not happy im afraid.

[Greenholme Bee]

Didn't go today but the complete lack of transfer activity so far gives me the impression that we will get exactly the same as we had last season.

Any point away from home isn't bad but no goals in two games and Bury are one of the favourites to go down, whilst Walsall who beat us last week got spanked today at home...

I don't think many will stand £22 or whatever it is each week for the dish served up as last year.

[GP200]

..............a poor Bury team who were there for the taking............ought to have taken three points...........neither keeper really tested..........Farid looked a physical presence up front but the supply to him and Clayton was poor...........Sam seemed to throw a wobbly when he was subbed........... Hopefully the signings will arrive Monday ...........