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Before the game i said id be delighted with a score draw,but after we made them look very ordinary and smashed them for the 1st 15 minutes,there was definately a feeling of,is it disappointed?,atleast how did we not win,for me anyway.Still,being theyre top,had a 100% home record,was still good to get that draw,like thatOriginally Posted by NorthamptonBee
We'll finish above them aswell this season
Playing devils advocate though, I'm not sure what any of those changes had anything to do with Dean failing to deal with either the punt forward by Tranmere or the run of Akpa Akpro. Obviously when they scored their confidence went up and ours went down, and they had a 10-15 minute spell of superiority.
Until the substitutions we had not scored a goal, Uwe then changed it around with the subs and we eventualy scored, it all came about by the long throw of Clayton the sub !!! that's good management, who knows, had he he had kept the status quo we might have come away with nothing, at least he got us a well earnt point.
My understanding is that to avoid relegation you need to be strong at home, but to gain promotion you need to win away, drawing isn't really good enough, given that the sides around you will be winning alot at home.
If you look at the current table, we've won three out of four at home, drawn a bunch away and we're all of 11th.
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Wouldbee (1st October 2012)
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I would agree with this but I don't think you can make such a negative assessment with a handful of games gone. If we are still drawing games and NOT winning by Xmas then by all means unleash the P.45 dogs of war on Herr Rosler. Until then enjoy the ride and stop listening to the Smiths so much.
Kevin O'Connor- substitute for a season and a half. A SEASON AND A HALF.
Dont think its a negative assessment, just a reality check on where we are atm by drawing away games. Fact is we are 11th, if we want to challenge higher up we need to win more away from home, that is why the Tranny, Orient and Walsall games represent wasted opportunities.
Last edited by Kingston Bee; 1st October 2012 at 15:21.
It was just one of those things....
Personally taking a long view and at this stage of the season I don't see those draw as a problem. Uwe has identified he wants our strikers to be more clinical so he's clearly aware opportunities have been wasted. But we've go a good young emerging strike force who whilst in development are still scoring goals albeit not 6 a game.
Like I say if the situation flat lines from here till Yuletide then yes ok that would be a worry.
Kevin O'Connor- substitute for a season and a half. A SEASON AND A HALF.
Smiths? Don't think so.
Eagles of Death Metal, the Rapture is nearer to the mark.
None of our three forwards are young and emerging, thats were the problem is, and will cost us if nothing is changed. without the crewe game its 8 in 8 and thats a mid table ratio.
As anyone who was their will tell you it was 2 points dropped.
Never before i have thought Uwe wasnt the man for the job but for the 1st time on Saturday i was angry and worried about Uwe and his tactics.
He said in the week he didnt care about reputations but then goes and play a defensive/negative team and formation against Tranmere who are top of the (extended) form table (its not really a league table yet is it). I assume Uwe expected a big home crowd roaring their sh1t hot team to victory, but this is L1 and Uwe should know by now that everyone in this league is beatable and no side deserves to be feared and respected like bloody tranny were on saturday.
Even if Tranny were as good as we obviously expected, what was the game plan? Was it to sit back , soak up loads of pressure and pray that they dont score? If they had got a goal (god forbid an early one) it would have been curtains for us as our rigid formation wouldnt have been flexible enough to get us back in the game. Serious short sightedness in that respect.
Why play an out of form and unfit lone striker if you expect he is going to have to chase down full backs and battle alone against two clogger centre backs all day long? Hayes was on a hiding to nothing yesterday especially being asked to do it for 90 mins when everyone knew he aint up to that yet. I guess Uwe wanted him to do the role that Alexander did at Sheff Wed last year but it didnt happen and is a lot to ask from any forward. If you want a lone striker who can play target man for 90 mins why not Farid or even Clayton as opposed to Hayes who didnt win a header or jump for them in the 2nd half?
Why did Douglas play on the left side when he cant play that role?
Why didnt we go more attacking when it was clear Tranny were pony, we absolutely bossed the game for 50 mins and forced Tranmere into many mistakes, but we couldnt penetrate the final third and didnt have enough shots? We had them on the ropes so many times but couldnt/wouldnt land that killer blow.
Why was the man with the most shots in the league (even if a few have hit row z) on the bench and then right wing when we were chasing the game in desperate need of a goal?
When we did change it why did we go from a negative 4-5-1 formation to a disjointed lopsided 4-4-2? Obviously it was supposed to be a 4-3-3 but Saunders hasnt got the pace to play as a winger so we were never going to play like Chelsea or Barca and tranform from 5 in the middle to a 3 pronged attack.
We have already thrown away 6-10 points this season and you only have to think back to the end of last season to remember how important it is not to throw points away. We had more than enough yesterday to win the game and made Tranmere look awful but strange tactics, player selcetions and substitions cost us the game, in short Uwe cost us the win.
I still believe Uwe is the man but if he approaches and manages games like he did on Saturday then my belief will fade pretty quickly unfortunately.
3 points needed tomorrow night. See you all there!
P.S - Kev and Fredericks had great games
The future's bright, the future's Brentford !
..............Fredericks had a good game certainly not great..........
Nobody else caused them problems going forward like Fredericks did. They couldnt handle his pace and were probably delighted when he went off, all our attacking play in the 1st half came from the right wing.
The future's bright, the future's Brentford !
I enjoyed watching him, some of his stuff on the wing was pretty damn good, sadly his crosses were usually to a box filled with players in white, we still don't gamble on the cross coming in and poor old Hayes wasn't sharp enough to get in the 6 yard box IMO. My best moment of the game was when RF received the ball with a standing start against the nippy LB Babayoko ?? (always decent against us) and he gave him the eyes and gently put it 3 yards and ahead, turned on the turbo and put a dangerous ball in the box. I sat there and shouted "goodbye" as he turned on the jets, it was a pisstake moment and certainly threw down a marker. I'm hoping this lad will cause havoc tonight.
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Reading all the reports it sounds like Fredericks would complement the fox in the box that is El Farid.
Be interesting to see what the line up is tonight.
YES YOU SKEGRAT!
I would hope we play with Forrester n Fredericks on either wing and one of Douglas/Adeyemi/Forshaw/Kev in the middle with Farid n Clayton upfront - think we would have won v Tranmere n would win tonight - however thats not a diamond formation :-(
I was not there so not in the best position to comment but if we played most of the first 60 minutes in the opponents half, I can't see that as negative or defensive. The problem is that dominating the midfield means that we only have one stiker and that - quite possibly - having two strikers means that we don't dominate the midfield. If we had a striker who could score, then the problem would be eased but I could see the logic of playing Hayes, who is probably the best of the three as a lone striker, and two tricky/fast wide players to get up there with him; I don't think that was over-negative, although 'experimental'. Uwe's big error was bringing on Saunders and Donaldson, both of whom get brushed off the ball easily and don't hold up well; one or the other but not both, IMHO. From the commentary, Donaldson's inability in that department caught Logan too far up the field and left Dean exposed (although he should have done better) for their goal. Saunders contribution was like all previous games this season.
When the wind of change blows some build walls, others build windmills...
I cannot see how you could judge Hayes as being the best option for a lone striker when he himself says and for those who have watched him play numerous time say, he is best player just behind the main striker/s. Surely, you don't agree with that? It's like saying Donaldson is best played out on the wing - when clearly that is not his best position either!!! Believe me it was two points lost, as was Orient 3 points lost when we were by far and away the better side (until 2 of our 3 best players were taken off cos they were "tired") but had no-one getting on the end of all our chances.
The "Donaldson on the wing" theory that has always done my head in was killed at the weekend, wasn't it?I cannot see how you could judge Hayes as being the best option for a lone striker when he himself says and for those who have watched him play numerous time say, he is best player just behind the main striker/s. Surely, you don't agree with that? It's like saying Donaldson is best played out on the wing - when clearly that is not his best position either!!! Believe me it was two points lost, as was Orient 3 points lost when we were by far and away the better side (until 2 of our 3 best players were taken off cos they were "tired"
CD is our best lone striker by a mile in my book, his movement wins that particular spot.
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Great thread by the way, we read what a great point it was and laughed on the train home anyone who differed from that mindset would be put right when the reports started, the reports started and there was nearly 100% of opinion that said we dropped 2 points but still some who weren't there won't/wouldn't have it. Great "match" thread.
Far too old for a mid-life crsis
I agree it was 2 points lost, even from my distant listening. I think Hayes and Donaldson are very different in the 'one up top' roles: Hayes will bring others in with his back to the central defenders, with those others going past him, which is what I think Uwe was aiming for with Forrester and Fredericks; Donaldson is more just a bit of pace to get behind a high back line. It appears Tranmere like to play deep and break, even at home, so less chance to get behind them... as I said, experimental... but it may have been mental. If we're up against a team that play high up, then Donaldson and Fredericks will scare them suitably. All this discussion doesn't get away from the fact that we just don't have players who can stick the ball in the net with any certainty. Farid seems the only 'instinctive' striker while Forrester will have a pop; Dean and Craig will rock up for set pices but none is doing the business so far.
When the wind of change blows some build walls, others build windmills...
Spot on.
Hayes played well holding the ball up and making some good touches and passes but had to keep coming deep to receive the ball and lay it off to Harry or Fredericks. Hayes couldn't keep up with either of them two and when we had the ball in the wide areas no one was in the box and we lacked a frontman in the final third
We needed Clayton on, running the channels and making runs. He would have terrorised the Tranmere back four. Yeah he misses chances but at least he gets them, one is bound to go in soon.
Don't remember Hayes having a shot.
Last edited by Brentford_till_die; 2nd October 2012 at 11:38.
That first half seemed to be Adeyemi or Forrester alone trying to get onto crosses from Fredericks, that can't be right.
As you say, Hayes spun and set RF free but couldn't catch up, a bit like Chaz and GA in the not too distant past. It's good but it's not quite right said Mr Walker.
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Yep very frustrating because we were dominating the ball and midfield but it meant we were anominous upfront.
but isnt the lone strikers main job to score goals ?
Hayes done well first half,isnt fit enough for much more of a game
Alagui is my answer to frontman in the final third
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