The Uwe Rösler Thread

[hypa123]

There's a lot of talk on here of taking chances, as if all chances should be potted and chance in the other sense, i.e.. random fate, had nothing to do with it. There is a well-known biblical saying that features the word "chance" in this latter sense. It goes: "the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong, (...) but time and chance happeneth to them all." I translate: even when dominant and doing everything right, a superior Brentford team are by no means guaranteed to win any given match.

If the Coventry strike against the post at 1-1 had gone in, and if we hadn't won a soft penalty just as the referee was drawing in his breath to blow for time, the knife-sharpeners among us would be preparing the coup de grâce and Uwe's days would be numbered.

If the Doncaster pot-luck strike from 30-yards had hit the post instead of going in, we might well not have lost momentum and gone on to win the game, with the usual suspects throwing away their knife-grinders and hailing our imminent promotion to the Championship.

Instead of which we (read: Uwe) were unlucky with the first and got lucky with the second. Instead of nibbling at the heels of the leaders in sixth place or mouldering in the doldrums somewhere around 12th, we're merely handily placed in 9th. Time and chance...

They say that chance evens itself out over a full season. In other words, to judge a manager over a short run of games, let along a single game, is ridiculous. I suggest we all calm down and let the manager - one of the best we've had in recent decades, in my view - get on with managing. There'll be time enough for judging at the end of the season.

[NorthamptonBee]

FFS, the simple truth is that we have been simply miles better than most teams in our away games but due to negative tactics we have surrendered points, Uwe gets all the plaudits for the better play and the fact that we dominate teams but all this 4-5-1 and covering up shit is rubbish with 20 minutes or so left. I find it fiction that it's all the fault of the forwards for missing chances as we simply don't create as many as legend says on our away trips, for example we had very few at Scunny but were in a different league to them, we had them on the back foot and looking likely until we went one up top, it was an attempt to cleverly shut down the game but they scored and we didn't have enough left on the pitch to go on and win it again. That's not clever, it's actually very stupid, I'll continue to back Uwe but his moments of madness have cost us a lot of points on our travels thus far. It's a great home record and full of character with late goals, sometimes I feel we make it harder for ourselves than we need to at GP but massive kudos to Uwe for that record up until now.

[NorthamptonBee]

....oh dear we really are a sensitive little flower at the moment.

I'm back now, you stick to the propaganda package for the 20 or so listeners and we'll talk about the football.

I've heard about the rules and regulations, the only people on Beesplayer who have questioned things about tactics or players have been rebus and Chris Wickham, I find that strange as they are both paid by the club.

[Easter 1959]

I'm back now, you stick to the propaganda package for the 20 or so listeners and we'll talk about the football.

I've heard about the rules and regulations, the only people on Beesplayer who have questioned things about tactics or players have been rebus and Chris Wickham, I find that strange as they are both paid by the club.

More time in the Director's Box will provide clarification, I reckon.

[beebopalula]

FFS, the simple truth is that we have been simply miles better than most teams in our away games but due to negative tactics we have surrendered points, Uwe gets all the plaudits for the better play and the fact that we dominate teams but all this 4-5-1 and covering up shit is rubbish with 20 minutes or so left. I find it fiction that it's all the fault of the forwards for missing chances as we simply don't create as many as legend says on our away trips, for example we had very few at Scunny but were in a different league to them, we had them on the back foot and looking likely until we went one up top, it was an attempt to cleverly shut down the game but they scored and we didn't have enough left on the pitch to go on and win it again. That's not clever, it's actually very stupid, I'll continue to back Uwe but his moments of madness have cost us a lot of points on our travels thus far. It's a great home record and full of character with late goals, sometimes I feel we make it harder for ourselves than we need to at GP but massive kudos to Uwe for that record up until now.

Cling to the fact that we have been miles better than any of the teams. I can't remember that in 51 years watching the Bees, We have a very good side now but it isn't the finished article. We will get there. Hang in.

[shouldbee]

Cling to the fact that we have been miles better than any of the teams. I can't remember that in 51 years watching the Bees, We have a very good side now but it isn't the finished article. We will get there. Hang in.

We will, as long as the club doesn't drop it pants at the first offer for one of our starlets....it has happended before !
Uwe has made a few faux pas along the way but the way we kept going and sticking to our passing game on Tuesday was a sign of his and the team's belief that playing the right way will bring success.

[beebopalula]

We will, as long as the club doesn't drop it pants at the first offer for one of our starlets....it has happended before !
Uwe has made a few faux pas along the way but the way we kept going and sticking to our passing game on Tuesday was a sign of his and the team's belief that playing the right way will bring success.

I don't think we are as cash hungry as we have been in the past due to MB but if we are being pressed by another club, we must make sure they pay the right money. If someone wants Harry , it needs seven figures in the required price [ better get him to sign another contract pdq]. Same applies to Forshaw, Dean etc. That kind of money should enable us to get the right kind of replacement. If we do that I can understand as MB isn't a bottomless pit of money. Cheap sales, no.

[Balders Bee]

Cling to the fact that we have been miles better than any of the teams. I can't remember that in 51 years watching the Bees, We have a very good side now but it isn't the finished article. We will get there. Hang in.

I think NB and most of us 'Realists' -somewhere inbetween the RTB and the D&G- fully intend to hang in there. We can see the potential but rightly ask questions of the tactics when perhaps in our opinon there is a case to answer. As I keep saying "Miles better than other teams" is a subjective term which means nothing. Putting Points on the board and a play off place is what counts and the metric by which Uwe will be judged.

Good luck to him and let's hope we can build on Tuesday nights performance and then start putting points on the board away from home.

[beebopalula]

I think NB and most of us 'Realists' -somewhere inbetween the RTB and the D&G- fully intend to hang in there. We can see the potential but rightly ask questions of the tactics when perhaps in our opinon there is a case to answer. As I keep saying "Miles better than other teams" is a subjective term which means nothing. Putting Points on the board and a play off place is what counts and the metric by which Uwe will be judged.

Good luck to him and let's hope we can build on Tuesday nights performance and then start putting points on the board away from home.

We aren't the finished article but we are a very good footballing team now and can play anyone off the park if we get our game right. I'm optimistic that we will sort matters out. We have made massive strides in one season when you consider the turnover in playing staff and style. I think concentration at the back is the most urgent issue. On tuesday I'm afraid we were ball watching again for the first goal as no-one tracked the runner who scored until he was in possession and running into our box. We got caught again in a similar fashion shortly afterwards but then it improved. Notwithstanding the view expressed re negative approach away, we conceded two goals at Scunthorpe and Donny with unbelievable park defending [ ball watching again]. That cost us and it was basic stuff.

[Voice from the Braemar]

I think NB and most of us 'Realists' -somewhere inbetween the RTB and the D&G- fully intend to hang in there. We can see the potential but rightly ask questions of the tactics when perhaps in our opinon there is a case to answer. As I keep saying "Miles better than other teams" is a subjective term which means nothing. Putting Points on the board and a play off place is what counts and the metric by which Uwe will be judged.

Good luck to him and let's hope we can build on Tuesday nights performance and then start putting points on the board away from home.

i think that sums up what the vast majority of bees fans think......and elequently put too

[bennyb]

Yes we have better quality players now .The problem is there are teams like Crawley and Stevenage above us with a lower standard of players . Uwe is not getting the best out his squad and he doesnt know how to sign a decent striker so far.

forshaw and forrester are now lasting 90 minitues for the first time . if they can stay injury free we are going to start battering teams imo

[bennyb]

I know everyone has their opinions, but the progress we have made in 16 months I think is superb, even if results aren't always going to us.

This is our team from the JPT final, 18 months ago:
31 Moore
03 Woodman (O'Connor 88)
22 Osborne
27 Neilson
32 Legge
07 Saunders
11 Weston (Grabban 78)
20 Diagouraga
26 Adam Reed (Bean 46)
29 Alexander
30 Shclupp

Then compare it to our team v coventry on Tuesday

21 Moore
05 Craig
06 Dean
14 Logan
24 Bidwell
04 Forshaw
08 Douglas
20 Diagouraga (Adeyemi - 88' )
09 Donaldson
19 Forrester
23 Hayes (Spencer - 76' )

I compare the two teams and looking at the JPT side, I don't think any of them with the obvious exception of Schlupp would get into the side now. The only other possibility is Osborne, but I am very happy with our centre backs as at the moment.

The biggest difference is what he's done to our midfield. Forshaw, Forrester and Douglas are all signings UR made and they are the best midfielders I've seen at Brentford for many years.

I rate him.

am i right in thinking these two teams cost the same in wages?

[Markybee]

I'm back now, you stick to the propaganda package for the 20 or so listeners and we'll talk about the football.

I've heard about the rules and regulations, the only people on Beesplayer who have questioned things about tactics or players have been rebus and Chris Wickham, I find that strange as they are both paid by the club.

...the day you start speaking about your great love that way is the day I know you've given up. VOTF, RIP

[NorthamptonBee]

...the day you start speaking about your great love that way is the day I know you've given up. VOTF, RIP

Doesn't deserve an answer mate. It's a shame really.

[sonofabee]

There's a lot of talk on here of taking chances, as if all chances should be potted and chance in the other sense, i.e.. random fate, had nothing to do with it. There is a well-known biblical saying that features the word "chance" in this latter sense. It goes: "the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong, (...) but time and chance happeneth to them all." I translate: even when dominant and doing everything right, a superior Brentford team are by no means guaranteed to win any given match.

If the Coventry strike against the post at 1-1 had gone in, and if we hadn't won a soft penalty just as the referee was drawing in his breath to blow for time, the knife-sharpeners among us would be preparing the coup de grâce and Uwe's days would be numbered.

If the Doncaster pot-luck strike from 30-yards had hit the post instead of going in, we might well not have lost momentum and gone on to win the game, with the usual suspects throwing away their knife-grinders and hailing our imminent promotion to the Championship.

Instead of which we (read: Uwe) were unlucky with the first and got lucky with the second. Instead of nibbling at the heels of the leaders in sixth place or mouldering in the doldrums somewhere around 12th, we're merely handily placed in 9th. Time and chance...

They say that chance evens itself out over a full season. In other words, to judge a manager over a short run of games, let along a single game, is ridiculous. I suggest we all calm down and let the manager - one of the best we've had in recent decades, in my view - get on with managing. There'll be time enough for judging at the end of the season.

I sort of understand your philosophical outlook but footballs a passionate game and people on here vent their spleen when they're frustrated and unhappy. Don't always agree with what they post, they don't agree with me but better they rant on GPG than moan at GP. I am a fan of the footballers UR has assembled and I love some of the passages of football so still very much in the Uwe in camp, however he keeps making the same mistakes that have undoubtedly cost us points this season.

It's been in games that we really should have won, bear in mind we've lost 3 and we were definitely the stronger team for most of the game in at least two of them and I really hope isn't the difference between success or near failure.

Still time to put it right but it needs to happen soon and you need to get off that high horse that isn't saddled at GP often enough to play marshall to the cowboys on here!

[davido_i]

As I keep saying "Miles better than other teams" is a subjective term which means nothing.

Sorry, can't let that pass.

There was a time at Brentford (Dodgin, Callaghan, later Perryman) when playing the right way meant something.
That has disappeared off the radar the last few years, ending up with Andy Scott formulaball...keeper not allowed to throw the ball out, all throw-ins down the line, players not allowed to think for themselves or express themselves.

Now we are no longer known as a team that likes to get it down & play, just look at what Bean said when he left.

I recall Greg Dyke mentioning the style of play when not offering Martin Allen a new contract & I would say that finally in Uwe we have someone who offers that

If worth nothing to you, then I am sorry, but I would like to think that lots of Bees fans feel that playing football the way it should be played means plenty.

[Alex Callow]

What did Bean say?

[GP200]

forshaw and forrester are now lasting 90 minitues for the first time . if they can stay injury free we are going to start battering teams imo

.................................we are battering teams.............................however we are not outscoring all of them..................................

[davido_i]

What did Bean say?

something along the lines of looking forward to playing on the floor after too much time watching the ball fly over his head

[Markybee]

I'm not so sure there's as many in the "rose tinted brigade" as some try and make out. Not to meet a Bees fan yet who things we're the real deal, yet. The next month will tell us a helluva lot.

[beebopalula]

I'm not so sure there's as many in the "rose tinted brigade" as some try and make out. Not to meet a Bees fan yet who things we're the real deal, yet. The next month will tell us a helluva lot.

Too true. I'm sure I've got the RTB label from the D and Gers but it isn't so.IMO there's just some unrealistic expectation about what can be achieved in such a short timescale and some unjustifiable criticism IMO. Some folk have maybe forgotten that the ' negative' 4-5-1 away from home was successful last season. Personally, I also understand why we try and shut things down away. Craig's comments re Coventry were interesting as he said that Coventry ,' like all teams', tried to shut the game down once they went ahead. No team can dominate for 90 mins-it never happens especially away from home so you need to know how to lock the sweet shop. Our team now needs to understand a lot better how to shut games down as well as playing football. It's part of the game and we need to develop our tactical flexibility.

[Roy_loak]

fwiw, every bees fan i know (except one, and he only started in 2005) thinks uwe's squandering the talent in our squad with his flat negative set up. jonny come lately boy thinks uwe's great.

[detours]

"the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong, (...) but time and chance happeneth to them all."

A beautifully philosophical post.

We'll see after christmas where we are. I'm a little pissed and feeling optimistic

[Wooburn Bee]

.................................we are battering teams.............................however we are not outscoring all of them..................................

Goals will flow I carry on in same way

[Wooburn Bee]

.................................we are battering teams.............................however we are not outscoring all of them..................................

Goals will flow If carry on in same way. Just keep faith