The Uwe Rösler Thread

[Brentford_till_die]

As one poster has already reminded us, the only table that counts is the final table.
We are a very good footballing team but not the finished article. It's obvious we need to learn how to defend a lot better and how to shut down games. That will come but the important thing is that we now play the right way. If it takes another season, then so be it. If we can put all those things together we will be well equipped to stay at a higher level. I have no interest in going up and then coming straight back which is what happens to sides which haven't established the right base. MB is clearly thinking long term and having to build a good team with a limited budget isn't easy. Critics of the management would do well to remember that the way we play is what persuaded the likes of Forshaw, Bidwell and Dean to come here.
MB isn't throwing money at the first team which would possibly give a short term boost to our fortunes but with no guarantee of any lasting improvement [ as well as building up financial pressures]. So let's see how we evolve. I have no doubt that the management are addressing the defence and how to see out games. It will take time but it just might all come together at the right time this season.

Spot on

[Brentford_till_die]

More than is good for us, that's for sure. We can all point to three, four, maybe half a dozen games where a defensive error here, or a missed chance there, contributed to a disappointing result in a game we ought to have won. Though we've had the rub of the green in one or two games (the soft last-minute penalty against Coventry, for example), I think that by and large we're owed a few more lucky breaks to compensate the breaks that have gone against us. No amount of special coaching or managerial savvy could have prevented the second own-goal against Hartlepool, a defensive header from a run-of-the-mill corner that could have gone anywhere and ended up in the net.

At the same time, there's probably not a club in the land that cannot point to three, four, maybe half a dozen games and say: we really threw away points there quite needlessly.

Exactlty. We will pick up points when we perhaps don't deserve to. That's football

[Roy_loak]

Still clueless as to why there is a debate

Really? I'd say it's due to frustration at seeing a great squad not performing to its potential in a weak division. Add to that a reaction to certain substitutions and tactics, followed by a response from those who think it's disloyal to raise questions or doubts, or that those doubts are unfounded, and there you have a debate. It's quite clear at games that this manager does not have unanimous backing from Brentford fans, and that is mirrored on this board.
One thing that doesn't seem to add up though, is the quantity of comments on this board urging others to "get behind the team" and the lack of noise at G.P. It has been pointed out that the lack of atmosphere has become traditional at G.P since M.A left, and the current manager cannot be held responsible for this. However, I can't help but wonder during silent periods at G.P, why aren't the "get behind the team" posse and the "Uwe is wonderful" gang singing?

[stevil]

Really? I'd say it's due to frustration at seeing a great squad not performing to its potential in a weak division. Add to that a reaction to certain substitutions and tactics, followed by a response from those who think it's disloyal to raise questions or doubts, or that those doubts are unfounded, and there you have a debate.

Well said, sir. I can see both arguments (although I'm personally inclined to side with the we're-underperforming-and-should-be-pissing-this-division faction), but I cannot understand anyone who doesn't understand why there's a debate. How can you be so blinkered?

[absenteebee]

Really? I'd say it's due to frustration at seeing a great squad not performing to its potential in a weak division. Add to that a reaction to certain substitutions and tactics, followed by a response from those who think it's disloyal to raise questions or doubts, or that those doubts are unfounded, and there you have a debate. It's quite clear at games that this manager does not have unanimous backing from Brentford fans, and that is mirrored on this board.
One thing that doesn't seem to add up though, is the quantity of comments on this board urging others to "get behind the team" and the lack of noise at G.P. It has been pointed out that the lack of atmosphere has become traditional at G.P since M.A left, and the current manager cannot be held responsible for this. However, I can't help but wonder during silent periods at G.P, why aren't the "get behind the team" posse and the "Uwe is wonderful" gang singing?

One of the most sensible posts I've read for a while

[hypa123]

in a weak division

How do you know this? Simply the fact that the teams in the top half of the table are more closely bunched together than usual? It doesn't follow. Arguably there are more strong teams than ever before.

Probably the only way of determining the strength of a division relative to previous years or relative to other divisions is to see how they perform in cup competitions.

[Brentford 4 Life]

More than is good for us, that's for sure. We can all point to three, four, maybe half a dozen games where a defensive error here, or a missed chance there, contributed to a disappointing result in a game we ought to have won. Though we've had the rub of the green in one or two games (the soft last-minute penalty against Coventry, for example), I think that by and large we're owed a few more lucky breaks to compensate the breaks that have gone against us. No amount of special coaching or managerial savvy could have prevented the second own-goal against Hartlepool, a defensive header from a run-of-the-mill corner that could have gone anywhere and ended up in the net.

At the same time, there's probably not a club in the land that cannot point to three, four, maybe half a dozen games and say: we really threw away points there quite needlessly.

I expected this sort of wishy washy answer so let me tell you how i see it.

We threw 2 points away at:
Bury
Tranmere
Scunny

3 points at:
Orient
Donny

I think Yeovil, Shrewsbury, Hartlepool, Walsall and Bournemouth were fair results and we got what we deserved overall (perhaps we could have got more or less from each and every game - thats football).

So as you can see i would say we have thrown away 12 points in games we should ( in terms of possesion, shots, generally being comfortable and not looking like conceding) have got more from. I think i have been fair with 12 points as obviously you cant win them all. Trouble is that by Saturday week we will have played all of the bottom half and already thrown away a dozen (or so) points, that is worrying especially when we havent been outclassed in a single game this season.

[Brentford 4 Life]

How do you know this? Simply the fact that the teams in the top half of the table are more closely bunched together than usual? It doesn't follow. Arguably there are more strong teams than ever before.

Probably the only way of determining the strength of a division relative to previous years or relative to other divisions is to see how they perform in cup competitions.

I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of why this is a weak league in the Scunthorpe match reports thread, but you ignored it. Take a look if you still think this league is as strong as previous years.

[Kingston Bee]

It's where you finish in May that matters

That is very true, I was merely commenting on how I feel at this point in time.

[hypa123]

I expected this sort of wishy washy answer so let me tell you how i see it.

We threw 2 points away at:
Bury
Tranmere
Scunny

3 points at:
Orient
Donny

I think Yeovil, Shrewsbury, Hartlepool, Walsall and Bournemouth were fair results and we got what we deserved overall (perhaps we could have got more or less from each and every game - thats football).

So as you can see i would say we have thrown away 12 points in games we should ( in terms of possesion, shots, generally being comfortable and not looking like conceding) have got more from. I think i have been fair with 12 points as obviously you cant win them all. Trouble is that by Saturday week we will have played all of the bottom half and already thrown away a dozen (or so) points, that is worrying especially when we havent been outclassed in a single game this season.

Do you really think that none of the teams in the top half of the table could not compile a long list of points "thrown away"?

To quote the ageless wisdom of Brentford_till_die (see above): That's football.

[hypa123]

I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of why this is a weak league in the Scunthorpe match reports thread, but you ignored it. Take a look if you still think this league is as strong as previous years.

I didn't ignore it - I simply didn't see it. Perhaps you'd like to recapitulate.

[NorthamptonBee]

Do you really think that none of the teams in the top half of the table could not compile a long list of points "thrown away"?

To quote the ageless wisdom of Brentford_till_die (see above): That's football.

I would be amazed if there is another team in our league who have thrown away as many points as we have, we've had plaudits from everywhere on our play and domination, probably easy to do when you've thieved a point or two that you didn't deserve.

[beebopalula]

I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of why this is a weak league in the Scunthorpe match reports thread, but you ignored it. Take a look if you still think this league is as strong as previous years.

I think calling it a weak league is probably overstating it. It's all about money. True we have lost big budget clubs[ Charlton, Weds, Hudders] but we have got Coventry with a bigger budget than ours. So probably we are two big budget clubs better off. Not sure about Crawley though who might have a bigger budget than ours. So overall, we remain in 8th/9th place playing budget wise. I think it's probably quite an even league so far and from what I have seen, there are no easy games [ if there are ever any easy games which I doubt].

[Kingston Bee]

I think calling it a weak league is probably overstating it. It's all about money. True we have lost big budget clubs[ Charlton, Weds, Hudders] but we have got Coventry with a bigger budget than ours. So probably we are two big budget clubs better off. Not sure about Crawley though who might have a bigger budget than ours. So overall, we remain in 8th/9th place playing budget wise. I think it's probably quite an even league so far and from what I have seen, there are no easy games [ if there are ever any easy games which I doubt].

It does not matter if we think its an easy or hard league. The debate for me is based on our performances to date should we be higher or lower in the league, I know what I think.

[hypa123]

I would be amazed if there is another team in our league who have thrown away as many points as we have, we've had plaudits from everywhere on our play and domination, probably easy to do when you've thieved a point or two that you didn't deserve.

You're quite possibly right, though these things are hard to quantify and I think there's a rub-of-the-green element.

[beebopalula]

It does not matter if we think its an easy or hard league. The debate for me is based on our performances to date should we be higher or lower in the league, I know what I think.

Tis true we should have more points -maybe another 4/5 but we are where we are and it's a long road ahead until May.

[taxi driver]

I would be amazed if there is another team in our league who have thrown away as many points as we have, we've had plaudits from everywhere on our play and domination, probably easy to do when you've thieved a point or two that you didn't deserve.

I think Hartlepool have "thrown away" lots of points from winning positions.

[Paul O'Brien]

Any game you lose, you throw points away because at one stage you must have been drawing.

[hypa123]

Tis true we should have more points -maybe another 4/5 but we are where we are and it's a long road ahead until May.

Where we are is within touching distance of the play-off places with two-thirds of the season still to go. All the more reason for patience and encouraging rather than slagging off the manager and individual players.

[Voice from the Braemar]

I would be amazed if there is another team in our league who have thrown away as many points as we have, we've had plaudits from everywhere on our play and domination, probably easy to do when you've thieved a point or two that you didn't deserve.

its probably cos hypa didnt see any of these games........he's only commenting on the 1 home game hes seen which we probably won......hes whole argument is based on other peoples views on here which he aligns himself with

[sonofabee]

Historical reality check: we played some good football against Yeovil and had much the better of the game, apart from two gross defensive errors and the keeper being sent off.

Apart from that, I agree with you: the current team is playing much better football and doing so consistently. I'm confident the results will follow.

You were at a different game old son of you really believe that we played good football against a dreadful Yeovil side. If we had the better of the game surely we would have scored more than they did?

[sonofabee]

Do you really think that none of the teams in the top half of the table could not compile a long list of points "thrown away"?

To quote the ageless wisdom of Brentford_till_die (see above): That's football.

You are so wrong, we are used in previous years to coming on here and stating we're not good enough, how can a smaller club like Yeovil or Dagenham or whoever have better players and beat us playing attractive football etc, etc.
IMHO, this season we have been the better, more organised, likely to score in every game I've seen bar maybe Walsall and Hartlepool (both games only periodss in the first half).
I've seen at best 3 or 4 players I'd have liked to see in a Bees shirt and I've seen numerous outstanding performances from Bees players in most games yet we still aren't at the top of the table. The reason is we have failed to win games that we have taken the lead in after dominating and as a result dropped points.
We have the potential to be a top team in this league now but trust me we have thrown points away, we haven't been beaten by better teams and that's why so many of us are frustrated.

Very few of us have called for Uwes head but we have questioned why we cannot address and take corrective action to kill off games and ensure the points tally reflects the football being played.

[GloucesterB]

Whilst I think we have a talented group of players, winning is also about motivation, tactics and team selection. Unfortunately, UR has failed the test on all three in my opinion.
I saw the Hartlepool game on Saturday for my first visit this season and I did not think the entertainment on offer was worth the cost of admission and travel.
And I don't believe this club can prosper on gates of around 5K so the task is to increase the supporter base. I cannot see that happening with the current regime in charge.

[beebopalula]

Whilst I think we have a talented group of players, winning is also about motivation, tactics and team selection. Unfortunately, UR has failed the test on all three in my opinion.
I saw the Hartlepool game on Saturday for my first visit this season and I did not think the entertainment on offer was worth the cost of admission and travel.
And I don't believe this club can prosper on gates of around 5K so the task is to increase the supporter base. I cannot see that happening with the current regime in charge.

Surprised at that. We played some great stuff at certain times. Purely as a football match IMO it was entertaining and Pool played some good stuff too.

[Kingston Bee]

Whilst I think we have a talented group of players, winning is also about motivation, tactics and team selection. Unfortunately, UR has failed the test on all three in my opinion.
I saw the Hartlepool game on Saturday for my first visit this season and I did not think the entertainment on offer was worth the cost of admission and travel.
And I don't believe this club can prosper on gates of around 5K so the task is to increase the supporter base. I cannot see that happening with the current regime in charge.

In fairness much of the football has been good this season. Quite a sweeping statement to make after seeing just 1 game?