Signings and Departures 2012 / 2013

[the beast]

I just found this on the charlton forum

Re: Green to Swindon???
« Reply #1 Yesterday at 9:16pm »
Was widely touted weeks ago but nothing come of it but for the record it is a possibility but Paul Hayes is the key. We want Sam Saunders from Brentford in part exchange for Hayes and if that happens Green could then go to Swindon.
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[Ealing Bee]

I understand all this and do agree Ealing Bee, but we have been one striker short since August 2011 and two strikers short since early March 2012.
Quite a long time in transfer terms.
We now have Farid (who looks promising) but we need at least one more striker to put us in the same position in which we started the 2011-12 season. This now looks pretty unlikely and so we will start the season having gone backwards from August 2011 - at least as far as forwards are concerned.

Don't you think UR is aware that we lack a 4th striker? Do you imagine that he spends his spare time on Sudoko or Crosswords, when he might be chasing up leads?
This time last week, people were moaning that we had no Left Back. But after looking at Vignal and getting knocked back by McGivern, he picked up Barron. And there is still a fortnight of the window to go (plus longer for loans?).

As for being in "the same position in which we started the 2011-12 season", how do you come to that conclusion? By merely counting players, as if they were chess pieces?

For one thing, Uwe knows a sight more about Brentford than he did 12 months ago. He knows much more about Lge One, too. He has sorted out his Coaches (Kernaghan and Farrell etc). He knows more about the players he inherited, dispensing with those he didn't rate, or who didn't buy into his plans, and replacing them with others whom he must hope will do a job for him. He has had 12 mths to imbue his players with his own playing style - very different from Scott's. He looks to have decided he needs more of a balance between youth and experience. The youngsters at the club are 12 months better/more experienced, and the Dev.Squad may begin to produce a player or two by the end of this season.

Now I'm not saying that he has got all of these things right - he may not have, but the guy has been here barely a year and you appear already to have concluded he's not really making progress?

If strikers are so hard to come by that it takes a year to find one who will join BFC, we should not have released Macdonald and Alexander so quickly.

I daresay UR could sign a couple of strikers tomorrow if he really wanted. But identifying the right strikers, and persuading them to come to GP for the money he has in his budget are two entirely different things.
And re MacDonald and Alexander, I suppose he could have tied them to a chair under the Braemar Road Stand, but they wouldn't really have been much good to us then, would they?

No, I am not demanding or expecting promotion this season or indeed next or any time soon. But I do hope that under the current regime/ ownership / management we can inch forward a little season by season. I'm just not sure that is actually happening.

Er, to inch forward "season by season", you have to be somewhere for at least two seasons.

Otherwise it's just inching forward "season"

Or have you already written off season 2012-2013?

[maddogging]

Swindon are going to be a nuisance this season. Surprised they are after Hayes as I would say him and Paul Benson are very similar players

[Brentford_till_die]

Don't you think UR is aware that we lack a 4th striker? Do you imagine that he spends his spare time on Sudoko or Crosswords, when he might be chasing up leads?
This time last week, people were moaning that we had no Left Back. But after looking at Vignal and getting knocked back by McGivern, he picked up Barron. And there is still a fortnight of the window to go (plus longer for loans?).

As for being in "the same position in which we started the 2011-12 season", how do you come to that conclusion? By merely counting players, as if they were chess pieces?

For one thing, Uwe knows a sight more about Brentford than he did 12 months ago. He knows much more about Lge One, too. He has sorted out his Coaches (Kernaghan and Farrell etc). He knows more about the players he inherited, dispensing with those he didn't rate, or who didn't buy into his plans, and replacing them with others whom he must hope will do a job for him. He has had 12 mths to imbue his players with his own playing style - very different from Scott's. He looks to have decided he needs more of a balance between youth and experience. The youngsters at the club are 12 months better/more experienced, and the Dev.Squad may begin to produce a player or two by the end of this season.

Now I'm not saying that he has got all of these things right - he may not have, but the guy has been here barely a year and you appear already to have concluded he's not really making progress?

I daresay UR could sign a couple of strikers tomorrow if he really wanted. But identifying the right strikers, and persuading them to come to GP for the money he has in his budget are two entirely different things.
And re MacDonald and Alexander, I suppose he could have tied them to a chair under the Braemar Road Stand, but they wouldn't really have been much good to us then, would they?

Er, to inch forward "season by season", you have to be somewhere for at least two seasons.

Otherwise it's just inching forward "season"

Or have you already written off season 2012-2013?

[Guildford Bee]

Swindon are going to be a nuisance this season. Surprised they are after Hayes as I would say him and Paul Benson are very similar players

Don't think it's saying they want Hayes. More that Charlton will only let Hayes go to us if we give them Saunders, clearing the path for Green to go to Swindon.

[maddogging]

Don't think it's saying they want Hayes. More that Charlton will only let Hayes go to us if we give them Saunders, clearing the path for Green to go to Swindon.

Hayes has been linked with Swindon who are so far the only team likely to be able to afford him

[blunstone]

i am not that interested in hayes - we want younger players who we can hopefully sell-on at a decent profit one day.

[jharvey85]

I would be mildly interested in getting Hayes... but I would rather have two cheap youngsters hungry for games and goals.

[jlove]

I would rather have an experienced centre forward! We're two places light in the attacking department right now and one of those is for the younger player, probably a loan. If we don't score goals, the rest is academic.

[wayfarer172]

I just found this on the charlton forum

Re: Green to Swindon???
« Reply #1 Yesterday at 9:16pm »
Was widely touted weeks ago but nothing come of it but for the record it is a possibility but Paul Hayes is the key. We want Sam Saunders from Brentford in part exchange for Hayes and if that happens Green could then go to Swindon.
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Very interesting if it is true. Personally I'd be more than happy with a deal like that seeing as we seem to be overloaded with midfielders and not strikers.Forrester is all ready now to step into Saunder's shoes. The King is dead, Long live the King, as they say.


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[condorman]

No one realised answered my question on what a box - to - box midfielder is !

All midfielders should be able to run from box to box.

I can appreciate some players are better at tackling, some better at shooting, some can head easily, some can accelerate fast, some have tricky wing play but all of them should be able to run between the two boxes and back again !

I think "box to box" is someone who runs a lot and has the ability to both get back and defend but also pop up in the oppos penalty area. A high energy player who gets around the pitch a lot. I think David Platt used to be called "box to box"

[jimmycisabee]

If we want a goal scorer then Paul Hayes is not the way to go his scoring record is woeful

[wayfarer172]

I might be wrong here, but I would guess that Clayton and Farid are going to be our first choice strikers for the coming season. Maybe, just maybe any potential new striker signings want a guarantee of 1st team football, and Uwe being the honest man that he is can't promise that. Just a thought like.I mean no player is likely to sign if he is going to be bench warming.

[SlumanBee]

I might be wrong here, but I would guess that Clayton and Farid are going to be our first choice strikers for the coming season. Maybe, just maybe any potential new striker signings want a guarantee of 1st team football, and Uwe being the honest man that he is can't promise that. Just a thought like.I mean no player is likely to sign if he is going to be bench warming.

True, but there is definitely room for this new striker to force his way into the team pretty quickly i would say. Prove he's good enough and he'll be number 1 as we have our fingers crossed for two players instead of knowing that one of them will bang loads of goals in.

[Bigbee]

Charlton and Hayes ,with all their demands can f cuk off , lets go for Barnard

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/ar...e-southampton/

[jlove]

I might be wrong here, but I would guess that Clayton and Farid are going to be our first choice strikers for the coming season.

At the moment, they are first and second choice; we don't have options, unless you count Myles, which is laughable. I would hope that 1 new striker coming in would give Uwe an option above one or both and a young athlete would be a fourth option instead of Myles.

[PJ]

With the wages the likes of Hayes and Barnard are on I do wonder if its better VFM taking a punt on youngsters from non-league or league2; ie players on their way up the ladder not down.
Plus a young laonee from the Prem or one of the bigger championship clubs is surely an attractive short term option

[SmiffyBee]

I think "box to box" is someone who runs a lot and has the ability to both get back and defend but also pop up in the oppos penalty area. A high energy player who gets around the pitch a lot. I think David Platt used to be called "box to box"

I can see your point, and with that analogy, I would say Marcus Bean was a League One David Platt
I would think that Dave has the energy to be our Platt - but not the goalscoring ability
Douglas is more cautious - he's not a box-to-boxer
Forshaw is yet to prove his ability over a whole season - I would hope he could be the Platt
Saunders and Forrester are tricky dickies, link up men and one-two types, who can cross a ball but I am not sure they can defend or tackle as Bean / Platt
So does that mean we need another central midfielder ?

[kevalutonbee]

Comparing Bean with Platt is silly. Beanie looks nothing like a Glenrick pilchard

[maddogging]

With the wages the likes of Hayes and Barnard are on I do wonder if its better VFM taking a punt on youngsters from non-league or league2; ie players on their way up the ladder not down.
Plus a young laonee from the Prem or one of the bigger championship clubs is surely an attractive short term option

Any league 2 up and coming players are going to be in demand and expect a fairly decent wage. We need three good solid forwards and then a younger fourth to compliment them

[jlove]

We've "taken a punt" on a League 2 player and a Scottish First Division player. If we want to get promoted, we've got to bite the bullet and I guess Uwe knows that... along with 20 other clubs looking for the same thing.

[Bigbee]

You dont want to go up , do you Mathew ?

[JTofBFC]

I might be wrong here, but I would guess that Clayton and Farid are going to be our first choice strikers for the coming season. Maybe, just maybe any potential new striker signings want a guarantee of 1st team football, and Uwe being the honest man that he is can't promise that. Just a thought like.I mean no player is likely to sign if he is going to be bench warming.

If both Clayton and Farid are scoring goals and not fluffing chances that cost us games then what you say is spot on. However, I think we have seen enough of CD to know that he is more than capable of going on a poor scoring run, missing sitters that cost us games etc. Competition for places in all positions is vital for a promotion chasing team but competition in the strikers is arguably even more important. We don't have that at the moment other than a failed winger who has now apparantly been reclassified as a striker even though he has shown no striker instincts in all the time he has been with us.

I have already started to water down my expectations for this season as I think we have got this aspect of the team seriously wrong for the 2nd year running. I am a big fan of Uwe and was hoping he would take us to the next level but I'm afraid I think he has completely lost the plot when it comes to forwards.

[condorman]

I can see your point, and with that analogy, I would say Marcus Bean was a League One David Platt
I would think that Dave has the energy to be our Platt - but not the goalscoring ability
Douglas is more cautious - he's not a box-to-boxer
Forshaw is yet to prove his ability over a whole season - I would hope he could be the Platt
Saunders and Forrester are tricky dickies, link up men and one-two types, who can cross a ball but I am not sure they can defend or tackle as Bean / Platt
So does that mean we need another central midfielder ?

We are due to play a "diamond" so another body might well be useful, particularly if they are an upgrade for one of the others. I concur that Forshaw could be this type of player.

[JTofBFC]

Comparing Bean with Platt is silly. Beanie looks nothing like a Glenrick pilchard

I suspect the nostalgia about Bean will start to get a bit like it was with Eddie Hutchinson -i e a bit divorced from the reality. When we have finally seen through comments about Marcus Bean being the David Platt of League 1 we might begin to remember that most of the time he was a bit rubbish.

If there is any budget left at all it certainly doesn't need to be targeted at more midfielders, we have other priorities.