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One thing on which I am unclear are the respective responsibilities of Warburton and Uwe when it comes to sourcing players. I'm sure Uwe has the last word and I'm not altering my view on the financial constraints. Just curious because those who are highly critical of Uwe in this respect might need to dilute their opinion.Originally Posted by Balders Bee
IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. Logan is obviously Rosler's. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them.
The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. This is ironic given that our backroom staff must be the most expensive and extensive in our history but it's no good if it only identifying kids for the Development squad. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell get to or sends a trusted scout to for example.
I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South and Rosler should be encouraged to relocate if he can't commit enough time because of where he is based.
Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we're going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.
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That's useful. If we are fishing too far North [ and some of the touted striker names seem to suggest that's true], then we are making difficulties for ourselves. I assume this is a club decision and if true, it needs to be put right asap.IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them. The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell gets to or sends a trusted scout to for example.
I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South. Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.
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I'm also intrigued about why we don't get players from Man City and Bolton given our management team's links. Surely they have players we'd find attractive so perhaps they don't want to send them so far away from their home club when there are so many clubs local to them.
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I am also amazed that we have not been able to use the links with the nextgen thingy. I may be wrong but we were told that with the contacts that would bring would see some real talent down at BFC. Hasn't happened yet IMHO.
The link with Man City was overplayed. It probably helped get him the job, who doesn't try to sell themselves at an interview?
The connections with Man City are from a different time, the world has moved on since then and although Uwe is obviously remembered with affection by their fans the management there now doesn't owe him any favours.
If you look at the quality of the loans that Scott managed to get in with those of Uwe there's no comparison.
That is almost certainly the case and why we should be looking at the London clubs more for loanees. We have tended to use Reading & Watford but probably our best 2 have come from Arsenal in Sidwell & Chesney.
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we should be trawling non league and signing players up and selling them on for profits to plough back into the club.No long term gains getting in loan players and there exactly doing us any good this season
I have diluted my opinions.
How involved was Uwe in Man City before he came to us? Was he looking after the youths? But regarding the quote above from Les - i was certainly thinking the same.
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non league signing aint cheap anymore, (J. Vardy) Fleetwood turned down £750K from Blackpool..
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he's an exception to the general rule, goalscorers at the top of the conference are expensive.From the outside our scouting looks s#@t
from inside its not looking great either!!
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Development game against West Ham, Robert Hall plays for West Ham, had a succesful spell at Oxford earlier then joins MK Dons on loan. Would have thought he would have been a good short term loan for us? Wonder if we asked? Earlier in the season we were banging on about the technology used by the Dev Squad coaches during the games, maybe they should use on the opposition as well. Maybe someone from our 1st team set up should be watching the D S games but paying more attention to the other side to see if they can spot someone better than we already have?
There's no reason we couldn't do both: pursuing non-league talent and getting loans in from the bigger clubs.
Reading have a highly evolved development system, it was one of the reasons they gave Brian McDermott the manager's job. We should definitely look to further contacts with them. Obviously Arsenal and Spurs should also be a local source. QPR currently have too many pros on their books, but there won't be many who would drop down into Div One. Southampton could also be a good source, especially if they make it into the Premiership.
What if our next manager is a good mate of Liam Brady or Pat Rice? I suppose that would be George Graham.
Will have time later.Happy to post.IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. Logan is obviously Roslers. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them.
The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. This is ironic given that our backroom staff must be the most expensive and extensive in our history but it's no good if it only identifying kids for the Development squad. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell gets to or sends a trusted scout to for example.
I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South and Rosler should be encouraged to relocate if he can't commit enough time because of where he is based.
Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.
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Over the last 20+yrs many of our better quality players have come from Non-league teams, rather than the junior set-up. Are we suggesting that the club do not consider this an option/worthwhile any longer?
I wonder whether if we put all our energies into tapping into the non league and foreign markets and buy up cheap young talents and sell them on for big profits that this may be a better business model than the youth scheme?
I think you are talking a lot of sense. Kids who look great at aged 10 to 16 may not develop any further. I have spent many years in coaching youth football and seen this many times,whereas I also watch a lot of lower league games and I have seen young adult players aged 18 -22 who I am sure could have a future in the professional game.At that age they too are almost the finished article. DJ Campbell is a prime example, a van driver at Heathrow at 22.
Of course the big clubs can easily afford all age academies but I agree with your sentiments that it may be more beneficial for a club such as ours to look at lower league developed talent.
If you take the side that actually got into the Championship nearly 20 seasons back, Terry Evans came from Hillingdon, but most of the other key players were from league sides. Deano, Bliss, Smillie, Ratcliffe. And then Marcus was home-grown.
Of course football has changed since then, but I would still advocate a blend.
I think the problem is that we're priced out of non-league in today's market and we don't have the network that PL clubs have overseas. The "development squad" model, where we pick up the the 'rejects' from PL academies and our own academy seems to be the least cost route.
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There is definatly a few gems in non league we should take a chance on, i like to watch a lot of non league games, i really like a young striker called sam higgins who plays for east thurrock in the ryman premier, he has scored 28 goals in 35 games this season and in the last couple of years has scored aroung 94 goals in 115 games which is brilliant and with full time training could definatly make the step up and he is only 21. another is tony stokes at concord rangers who is older but also a very useful striker.
We've had a few decent/good non leaguers over the years that did well - Bob Booker, DJ Campbell,Terry Evans, Leon Legge, to name but 4.
sam wood was decent as well.
Saw Hampton play East Thurrock in the FA Trophy, and they had quite a few useful players. The best non-league player I have seen in a while was a midfielder called Jai Reason, playing for Braintree against Hampton last season, think he is part of the England C set-up. Talking of Hampton, what happened to the days when we were the natural progression for their better players? In recent years, they have gone to the likes of Bournemouth (Bartley), Peterborough (Wright) and Pompey (Thompson) instead. I know we can't compete with what some of these clubs may have offered, but we certainly should have players from clubs like that on our radar before most others come sniffing.
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