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    Do players get worse for us?

    To clarify, it seems when we get a player on loan they often start off well then when we sign them they seem to get worse over time.

    3 examples spring to mind immediately in Pim, Bennett and Dave. All 3 looked immense on loan then once they'd joined their form seemed to gradually dissipate.

    Even some loan players start off well before losing a certain something ie Mcginn Bostock and even Berinho.

    Exceptions to this are few and far between, with perhaps only Jeffrey Schlupp being someone who actually improved.

    What are we doing wrong that we seem to actually hinder development of many players.

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    Discuss & enthuse about them on here for a couple of weeks then rip them to pieces about their commitment followed by their inability to play then discuss how ridiculous it was of the management to sign them in the 1st place - B.F.C. career over - move on to next recruit.

    simple answer to simple question.

  3. Seem to remember the same happening with Detzi Kruszynski and Scott Canham too.

    Bit early to say Saido has already lost something imho.

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    Sometimes players get worse, sometimes they get better, it's just what happens I don't think players get worse at BFC in particular.
    Sidwell, Wojech and Rhodes all got better as they played more games for us.
    Last edited by CTBee; 30th March 2012 at 09:00.

  5. Think it has more to do with human nature than coaching. When a lot of people start a new job they are keen to impress, but over time it fades and they they just do enough to get by. Only the real motivated make it onto promotions etc, and footballers are no different. Only the cream will rise to the top, and it's as much to do with their attitude and it is to do with their ability. Maybe some of the players we have had just put in the work to get a deal, then relax?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbrander Bee View Post
    Think it has more to do with human nature than coaching. When a lot of people start a new job they are keen to impress, but over time it fades and they they just do enough to get by. Only the real motivated make it onto promotions etc, and footballers are no different. Only the cream will rise to the top, and it's as much to do with their attitude and it is to do with their ability. Maybe some of the players we have had just put in the work to get a deal, then relax?!
    You can never guarantee the success of any signing but this is what the manager is paid for. Firstly to identify the right type of player, the right mental attitude, and obviously the skill set. The manager then has to think about how he will fit in to the existing set up, and get on with the existing group of players. Once the manager feels he has the right man then has to set about getting the best out of him, man management and all that. Getting more out of a player, improving him etc etc is the difference between average manager and a good one imo. Wenger has a good track record, as did Clough of course, Moyes also. The player can change once he arrives but if the manager has done his homework the chances of this happening should be small. Think we have had our fair share of successes and failures.
    It was just one of those things....

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    Wibs in serious football thread shocker!
    Bees Up, Fulham Down.

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    I AM a shocker
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    We've never had a decent midfield enforcer since we let Terry Hurlock go. Others may have come close but still can't beat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthamptonBee View Post
    Wibs in serious football thread shocker!
    The pasty tax has really started to hit home, concerns about implications for hot scotch eggs abound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbrander Bee View Post
    Think it has more to do with human nature than coaching. When a lot of people start a new job they are keen to impress, but over time it fades and they they just do enough to get by. Only the real motivated make it onto promotions etc, and footballers are no different. Only the cream will rise to the top, and it's as much to do with their attitude and it is to do with their ability. Maybe some of the players we have had just put in the work to get a deal, then relax?!
    Think it has more to do with the spectators than the players. When a lot of spectators get a new player, they are keen to enthuse, but over time it fades and they start to look for faults. Only the realistic make a fair assessment of the situation, and spectators are no different. It's as much to do with their attitude as it is to do with the players. Maybe some of the spectators we have just enthuse to get a quick high, then get disillusioned?!

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    For the ones that start out with a bang and taper off, obviously there is a mix of wanting to impress at first B2B opposition teams being less clued up about them. This honeymoon period is widespread and is hardly limited to BFC.

    On the other side of the coin, Bidwell has been consistently excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingston Bee View Post
    . Getting more out of a player, improving him etc etc is the difference between average manager and a good one imo. Wenger has a good track record, as did Clough of course, Moyes also. The player can change once he arrives but if the manager has done his homework the chances of this happening should be small. Think we have had our fair share of successes and failures.
    That is why we loan players first, to check them out. I would say your assumption that a good manger has a crystal ball and can understand a players mentality purely from a report from a scout is over simplistic.

    Fergurson, moyes and clough have bought hundreds of duds between them over the years, the real difference is at that level you can afford to make 25M mistakes and then move on as if it never happened (veron, djema djemba, cruyff & berbatov anyone?) And that is just man unt.

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