FULL TIME: England 3 - 2 Mexico (England Red Card (Quansah))

[Wouldbee]

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[hanworthbee]

They were always over egged as they play crap concacaf teams at home so no wonder they've not lost in a 100 years . When they play a decent side they don't win

Not taking anything away from England, you have to beat what’s in front of you and that’s never straightforward in a hostile environment.

But Mexico, considering their record this tournament, and their home advantage, were very poor

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Thought he came across well in his post match interview on the BBC too.

By far his best game in England shirt and played with responsibility. Said it all Tuchel did not sub him even when bringing Rogers on and we still had one sub available and he could have switched Gordon for madueke or Rashford for fresh legs but Gordon knew his role and played it well.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

AND, the VAR team being from South America too - all Spanish speaking! Didn't go unnoticed with me either. That was just purely wrong!

I thought that before game also. Based on bar set for var this World Cup, which I believe is the correct high bar, penalty against Kane should not have been given as clearly re-refereeing. The Quansah red card was dubious as also ref had clear sight and he got the ball first and then his leg went high which was accidental.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Bellingham was superb.

The team played well and I loved the sh*thousery.

I still don’t understand Anderson, thought he was poor again.

Konsa at rb with stones at cb looked good to me. I’d go with that against Norway.

I think defence likely to be that although Haaland will be a factor. Will he bully stones and Guehi? Never thought say this but could Tuchel go Burns and Stones? Changing centre back partnerships never a great idea but we still haven’t got a pair clicking.
On Anderson I am somewhat in agreement but that could be that Rice and him don’t compliment each other well enough. However he won’t change pairing now and they will gain a better understanding more minutes play together.

 

[brentford born & bred]

think defence likely to be that although Haaland will be a factor. Will he bully stones and Guehi?

When Ivan Toney was asked who was the toughest centre back he played against he nominated Guehi, describing him as so physically strong. I don't think he will be bullied by Haaland, but I would be worried about pace on the counter attack if Haaland gets Guehi in a one on one sprint without a covering player.

 

[olliebfc]

They have played it at all the grounds with oasis and sweet Caroline

I think they have played everyone’s songs in the games from what I have heard, it makes a good spectacle and keep the cameras rolling for more adverts

Slightly different though, as this is the home ground of the team that lost - not a neutral stadium. Pretty sure three lions wasn’t the first first song after the final whistle either at those other games. Oasis and Sweet Caroline are not anthems about football coming home. Just thought it was brilliant and if I was an England player my chest would have been puffed out (what altitude) and my balls weighing me down

 

[nocoat]

Slightly different though, as this is the home ground of the team that lost - not a neutral stadium. Pretty sure three lions wasn’t the first first song after the final whistle either at those other games. Oasis and Sweet Caroline are not anthems about football coming home. Just thought it was brilliant and if I was an England player my chest would have been puffed out (what altitude) and my balls weighing me down

yeah that was proper odd but in a good way!! first song in their own back yard!!

 

[Hullbee]

f***ing legend

He came home in a f***en ambulance

 

[mhead bee]

Thought he came across well in his post match interview on the BBC too.

As did Jude Bellingham, comes across as so balanced, intelligent and speaks so well. None of the usual soundbites. Trying to provoke a response about how he felt when they arrived and Mexico fans surrounded them he said, you land in a country that is so passionate about football and even though it is all directed at you to intimidate you, you see and feel the passion from everyone of their fans and it makes your hair stand up. When Mexico scored it felt tlike the stadium was going to collapse.

He is some player, and still we have fans who think he is too arrogant. Go figure, a section of England fans of any sport hate winners with personality.

 

[Rob-BEE]

Try telling me that you weren't tempted to put it on fast forward at intervals during those last 20 minutes and I won't believe you

Oh I absolutely did!!

 

[mhead bee]

Game over
I thought Stones was solid

Couldn't understand Rogers role?

Kane was out on his feet, we needed someone to just run around for 5-10 and try to kill time and get a free kick. Rogers looked like he didn't know what to do and was bent over after a min or two.

you can't criticise anything from last night, but I would have thought Ollie or Gordon would have been the perfect person to do that for 10 mins, they would have chased them down, held it up and dived a bit. Maybe AG was doing too well on the left he didn't want to change that, but OW would have come on for me.

 

[bexleybee]

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[badgerbee]

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We've all done it.

 

[bexleybee]

That insane laugh at the end is absolutely killing me

 

[Banana]

Please remember, this isn't a dumping ground for everything you've seen on twitter. Leave twitter on twitter. Thanks

 

[ladbroke]

Not surprised are you?

 

[Banana]

Not surprised are you?


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No point unless you know the secret reasons the USA card was overturned.

 

[Hippobee]

No point unless you know the secret reasons the USA card was overturned.

Not sure there's too much secret about it.

££££s, threats or dirt.

 

[ruislip bee]

I think defence likely to be that although Haaland will be a factor. Will he bully stones and Guehi? Never thought say this but could Tuchel go Burns and Stones? Changing centre back partnerships never a great idea but we still haven’t got a pair clicking.
On Anderson I am somewhat in agreement but that could be that Rice and him don’t compliment each other well enough. However he won’t change pairing now and they will gain a better understanding more minutes play together.

Dont think Kenny Burns is available. Too old and Scottish anyway.

 

[GU24 Bee]

The BBC News at 6.00pm today showed a clip of Billy(the Bee)Grant being interviewed after the game, said it’s his eighth World Cup he’s been to following England.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Not surprised are you?


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Doesn't sit well with me. What is there to appeal? Nailed on red card. Completely against the spirit of the game................ No matter what the cheating yanks are doing.

 

[Banana]

The BBC News at 6.00pm today showed a clip of Billy(the Bee)Grant being interviewed after the game, said it’s his eighth World Cup he’s been to following England.

The only surprising thing is that it's taken this long....

 

[SpiderBee]

The BBC News at 6.00pm today showed a clip of Billy(the Bee)Grant being interviewed after the game, said it’s his eighth World Cup he’s been to following England.

How does he afford it?

 

[Wooburn Bee]

No point unless you know the secret reasons the USA card was overturned.

And to be honest whilst was an accident Quansah’s would have been given as a red card by VAR in premier league and would not have been overturned on appeal. I don’t believe Balogun’s would have been given and if had would have likely been overturned after the fact.

 

[SC]

I think Quansahs is a red card all day long but in my opinion, that's more of an accident that Baloguns. Quansah bounces off the ball although I agree it's reckless to be in that position. Balogun I still can't understand how people don't think that is a deserving red card. He's nowhere near the ball when he makes contact, tackling from behind, making first contact at top of calf and slides all the way down the back of his calf until he crunches into his ankle. Its an ugly challenge and far less of an accident that Quansahs. Both red cards in my opinion. To appeal means that FIFA should (not that they will) show some transparency and give reasoning for their decision. I think that's the most distasteful thing about it so if an appeal had that result, then go for it.

 

[ladbroke]

I think Quansahs is a red card all day long but in my opinion, that's more of an accident that Baloguns. Quansah bounces off the ball although I agree it's reckless to be in that position. Balogun I still can't understand how people don't think that is a deserving red card. He's nowhere near the ball when he makes contact, tackling from behind, making first contact at top of calf and slides all the way down the back of his calf until he crunches into his ankle. Its an ugly challenge and far less of an accident that Quansahs. Both red cards in my opinion. To appeal means that FIFA should (not that they will) show some transparency and give reasoning for their decision. I think that's the most distasteful thing about it so if an appeal had that result, then go for it.

I agree..
Its virtually a straight, outstretched leg with studs in calf and, as you said, his full weight drags said studs down to ankle where the pressures forces him to "bend" the foot.
And its late.

 

[Gawain]

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I agree..
Its virtually a straight, outstretched leg with studs in calf and, as you said, his full weight drags said studs down to ankle where the pressures forces him to "bend" the foot.
And its late.

Sorry, but you really cannot tell from a still photo.

For me, I wouldn't greatly contest the Balogun red card, since it was arguably reckless. But if you look at the video in real time, I really don't think there was any malice, the clue for me being that he was watching the ball throughout and not the opponent. Generally if you want to "do" someone with a tackle like that, you pick out your spot to strike on his body.

 

[Untouchable]

But if you look at the video in real time, I really don't think there was any malice,

Malice is not relevant.

he was watching the ball throughout and not the opponent

He buckled his opponents ankle. It’s a red card every time. It matters not a jot that he was focussed on the ball.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Dust settled.

Was this one of the best England games ever ?

England 5 Germany 1
Beating Belgium with the late Platt goal 2-1
The Cameroon win in 1990.
The Dutch win in Euro 96.
Beating the Germans on pens ...

I think this game is definitely up there in the top 3

 

[Bigruss]

Dust settled.

Was this one of the best England games ever ?

England 5 Germany 1
Beating Belgium with the late Platt goal 2-1
The Cameroon win in 1990.
The Dutch win in Euro 96.
Beating the Germans on pens ...

I think this game is definitely up there in the top 3

When did we ever beat the Germans on penalties?

 

[stevil]

Dust settled.

Was this one of the best England games ever ?

England 5 Germany 1
Beating Belgium with the late Platt goal 2-1
The Cameroon win in 1990.
The Dutch win in Euro 96.
Beating the Germans on pens ...

I think this game is definitely up there in the top 3

The Belgium 1-0 is definitely up there...

David Platt, Italia 90 and England v Belgium in the players' own words | Stuart James

The sides met at the last 16 of Italia 90 in a match decided by a sublime goal. We speak to the players involved that day

www.theguardian.com

 

[aawharris]

Sorry, but you really cannot tell from a still photo.

For me, I wouldn't greatly contest the Balogun red card, since it was arguably reckless. But if you look at the video in real time, I really don't think there was any malice, the clue for me being that he was watching the ball throughout and not the opponent. Generally if you want to "do" someone with a tackle like that, you pick out your spot to strike on his body.

Not sure Josh' had any malice against Newcastle a few years back.
Was still a red

 

[Gawain]

Malice is not relevant.


He buckled his opponents ankle. It’s a red card every time. It matters not a jot that he was focussed on the ball.

So if eg a defender and an attacker both jump for the same high ball and there's a clash of heads, and one player sustains a nasty injury, but the other is ok, do you consider the latter should be punished, even though it was a complete accident (on both players' part)?

I'm thinking eg of England v Ghana, where Jordan Ayew and Reece James collided, with the former coming off far worse: do you think James should have been penalised?

 

[ladbroke]

Sorry, but you really cannot tell from a still photo.

For me, I wouldn't greatly contest the Balogun red card, since it was arguably reckless. But if you look at the video in real time, I really don't think there was any malice, the clue for me being that he was watching the ball throughout and not the opponent. Generally if you want to "do" someone with a tackle like that, you pick out your spot to strike on his body.

You're right, stills dont tell the whole picture.
But when you see the outstretched leg fall flat on his leg and nowhere near the ball,the laws of the game state endangering an opponent, which is what he done.

 

[SmiffyBee]

When did we ever beat the Germans on penalties?

Maybe I dreamt that one.
And yes Belgium win was 1-0 !

 

[badgerbee]

Maybe I dreamt that one.
And yes Belgium win was 1-0 !

I definitely think Mex v Eng was above those 2 then!!!

 

[Edmundo]

Dust settled.

Was this one of the best England games ever ?

England 5 Germany 1
Beating Belgium with the late Platt goal 2-1
The Cameroon win in 1990.
The Dutch win in Euro 96.
Beating the Germans on pens ...

I think this game is definitely up there in the top 3

England 4 West Germany 2 is missing from your list and ranks above all others.

 

[SmiffyBee]

England 4 West Germany 2 is missing from your list and ranks above all others.

I'm not sure anyone remembers that.
I've seen it on vhs once.

 

[Untouchable]

So if eg a defender and an attacker both jump for the same high ball and there's a clash of heads, and one player sustains a nasty injury, but the other is ok, do you consider the latter should be punished, even though it was a complete accident (on both players' part)?

I'm thinking eg of England v Ghana, where Jordan Ayew and Reece James collided, with the former coming off far worse: do you think James should have been penalised

Why are you attempting to introduce a completely different scenario into this conversation? Intent is irrelevant when considering serious foul play.

Contact above the foot that buckles the ankle is always a red card.

 

[Banana]

Why are you attempting to introduce a completely different scenario into this conversation? Intent is irrelevant when considering serious foul play.

Contact above the foot that buckles the ankle is always a red card.

Normal thread super-drift from that particular poster.

 

[gbems92]

Dust settled.

Was this one of the best England games ever ?

England 5 Germany 1
Beating Belgium with the late Platt goal 2-1
The Cameroon win in 1990.
The Dutch win in Euro 96.
Beating the Germans on pens ...

I think this game is definitely up there in the top 3

Don't think I've ever seen an England team battle and pull together like that last half an hour. Given the circumstances, players absolutely wrecked by the end of it. Going to sound abit cheesy but it's the proudest I've been of an England performance

 

[Gawain]

Why are you attempting to introduce a completely different scenario into this conversation? Intent is irrelevant when considering serious foul play.

So a complete accident which happens to result in an injury is always a foul?

Listen, I'm not saying Balogan's red card was wrong, since it was arguably reckless. But I do feel a degree of sympathy for him, since I genuinely don't feel he meant to "do" his opponent.

That's all, really.

 

[ladbroke]

So a complete accident which happens to result in an injury is always a foul?

Listen, I'm not saying Balogan's red card was wrong, since it was arguably reckless. But I do feel a degree of sympathy for him, since I genuinely don't feel he meant to "do" his opponent.

That's all, really.

Every challenge is, in theory, unique.
What you're describing is totally different to what happened with Balogun.

Balogun overstretched trying to win a ball he was unlikely to win. Whether he meant to harm the opponent or not is irrelevant (cause then you're saying it was intent which is not in the laws of the game). However, by showing disregard to opponent safety, even if "unintentional", you will get punished.
99% of fouls are just mistimed challenges. Some are soft, where both are stood up and the ball at opponents foot and you accidently kick the foot and not the ball.
In this instance, with Balogun, the ball is the other side of the opponent so he literally has to go through him. Yes he appears to jump and on him coming come, he stretches his leg out and catches him and with his weight he now drags his studs down him to a point his foot buckles.
This is not like the challenge I described above.

 

[Untouchable]

So a complete accident which happens to result in an injury is always a foul?

This very basic stuff is all contained within Law 12.

Most serious foul play red cards are accidental (ie the offender did not intend to challenge in that manner). See JDS at home against Newcastle or Fulton on Jensen in the PO Final.

 

[SpiderBee]

I'm not sure anyone remembers that.
I've seen it on vhs once.

Only once? WOW!

 

[SC]

Sorry, but you really cannot tell from a still photo.

You can tell a lot more from the slow motion video. He's nowhere near the ball and goes through the back of the player. Red Card, 3 game ban, move on.

As for the England list, the 5-1 crazily wasn't a great performance from what I remember and we should have been behind by at least one but fck me, we weren't half clinical 2nd half. You could even ask "Where were the Germans" for the goals.

Belgium, messy game but last minute winners always fun.

Germany on Penalties, yeh, 11-10 and schumacher misses the last one, Or was that a subbuteo game i played

Cameroon more relief than anything else. Was almost unheard of for African teams to be competitive in those days

This Mexico game I'll put 2nd as it had everything,soak it up, good counter attack goals, control and then the bravest rear guard action for many a year.

Top though has to be 4-1 against the Dutch. One of the most complete English performances in my lifetime with the added bonus that when we went 4-0 up, we were sending Scotland through to the next round yet we were still composed enough to not get carried away and let one in so send the Scots packing (again)

 

[ChesilB]

This very basic stuff is all contained within Law 12.

Most serious foul play red cards are accidental (ie the offender did not intend to challenge in that manner). See JDS at home against Newcastle or Fulton on Jensen in the PO Final.

Would have argued with you that it was Matt Grimes on Jensen. Fortunately, I checked and you are of course correct. Strange how memory plays tricks! I was there as well which makes it worse!!

 

[stevil]

Would have argued with you that it was Matt Grimes on Jensen. Fortunately, I checked and you are of course correct. Strange how memory plays tricks! I was there as well which makes it worse!!

Gosh - same here. I would have sworn it was Grimes...

 

[NigeriaRay]

Found this quite amusing


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