Ezri Konsa (Arsenal)

[Banana]

Nice. £8m in the bank. Thanks Arteta.

It's not often that a sell-on banks us almost as much as the original selling price

 

[mhead bee]

"later" doesn't mean "correct". Why would we have a sell-on clause that expires exactly?

"Hey Phil how about we have a sell-on clause but I reckon it should expire in 2024"
"GREAT IDEA!!!!! "

What happens if he signs an extended contract, does the sell on expire on the date the original contract would have ended.

 

[Banana]

What happens if he signs an extended contract, does the sell on expire on the date the original contract would have ended.

No.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

No.

Can you imagine, everyone would sign a new contract for £1 extra wages a week after joining.

 

[ruislip bee]

Do sell ons ever expire? If we sell Rico some time are Walsall still in line?

 

[Jay Bee]

Can you imagine, everyone would sign a new contract for £1 extra wages a week after joining.

I don't think that would get around mhead's suggested scenario.
If the original contract ended after 5 years the sell on he outlines would still be valid for 5 years.

Regardless, sell-ons usually last for as long as the player is at the club, surely. The "danger" is the player running their contract down and leaving for nothing, or staying at the club for years and years (Marcus Gayle at Wimbledon).

 

[Banana]

If the original contract ended after 5 years the sell on he outlines would still be valid for 5 years.

The contract between Brentford and Villa is an entirely different contract to the one between Villa and Konsa.

 

[FJBee]

Do sell ons ever expire? If we sell Rico some time are Walsall still in line?

I would imagine we bought it out as we tend to do that, but maybe they’ve still got one

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

I appreciate your peace and that’s sad to read.
Luckily it’s totally untrue and there is indeed a sizeable sell on.

Hes dipping in and out again folks

 

[kaebess]

Nice. £8m in the bank. Thanks Arteta.

It's not often that a sell-on banks us almost as much as the original selling price

Will not have been in any budget either. It’s must just be like one of us finding a tenner down the back of the sofa.

 

[jlove]

What happens if he signs an extended contract, does the sell on expire on the date the original contract would have ended.

There’s two contracts in the transaction:
1. A contract of sale between selling and buying clubs;
2. A consequential contract between the buying club and the player.

A sell-on clause will be in the contract of sale, which exists regardless of the player’s contract or contracts with the buying club.

 

[w7 bee]

Nice. £8m in the bank. Thanks Arteta.

It's not often that a sell-on banks us almost as much as the original selling price

Must be out most lucrative sell on to date ....with hopefully some more from Watkins ....

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Good luck to the lad. I have a feeling we might see another large incoming sum when he is sold on in a few years. Think he could go to the very top.

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Well done @BEEcool

 

[ladbroke]

Its got to be good thinking for us that from our championship days, 3 of our players have left to directly, or indirectly, join Arsenal and win the PL or join them as reigning champions.
Whether we have to like Arsenal or not, theyve been one of the most consistent top 6 teams for decades.

 

[JANORAK]

Its got to be good thinking for us that from our championship days, 3 of our players have left to directly, or indirectly, join Arsenal and win the PL or join them as reigning champions.
Whether we have to like Arsenal or not, theyve been one of the most consistent top 6 teams for decades.

Must be boring as hell to follow them!

 

[westendbee]

There’s two contracts in the transaction:
1. A contract of sale between selling and buying clubs;
2. A consequential contract between the buying club and the player.

A sell-on clause will be in the contract of sale, which exists regardless of the player’s contract or contracts with the buying club.

Unless the sell-on clause specifically applies to the player’s first contract with the new club?

We’ve had “subtleties” at Brentford, eg Norgaard signing “a new contract” rather than extending his existing contract … no idea why???

 

[jlove]

Unless the sell-on clause specifically applies to the player’s first contract with the new club?

We’ve had “subtleties” at Brentford, eg Norgaard signing “a new contract” rather than extending his existing contract … no idea why???

Yes, of course any sort of clause can be written into a sale contract – assuming it’s agreed by both clubs – but it must be unusual to agree to a clause that disadvantages the selling club.

A new player contract would indicate new terms, for example a release clause or modification of bonus payment targets, etc.

 

[Banana]

Unless the sell-on clause specifically applies to the player’s first contract with the new club?

Oh give over.

See above "quote" from Phil Giles above

 

[westendbee]

Oh give over.

See above "quote" from Phil Giles above

Thanks, there are 360+ comments on this thread, which “quote” from Phil Giles are you talking about?
Or rather than speculate, it is easier to ask JV at the Bees United meeting next month?

 

[Banana]

Thanks, there are 360+ comments on this thread, which “quote” from Phil Giles are you talking about?
Or rather than speculate, it is easier to ask JV at the Bees United meeting next month?

You can do what you want. No need to ask me.

If JV was honest, he will just look astonished and say "what the f*** are you talking about". Instead he will give you an answer that doesn't answer your question. Whereas the quote above does. If you can't be bothered to look for it then why should I?

 

[Jezybee]

Thanks, there are 360+ comments on this thread, which “quote” from Phil Giles are you talking about?
Or rather than speculate, it is easier to ask JV at the Bees United meeting next month?

When Nana posts something like this regarding transfers / contracts usually safe to assume it’s come from a reliable source.

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[stevil]

When Nana posts something like this regarding transfers / contracts usually safe to assume it’s come from a reliable source.

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It genuinely astounds me how many people still can't read the GPG tea leaves.

 

[mhead bee]

There’s two contracts in the transaction:
1. A contract of sale between selling and buying clubs;
2. A consequential contract between the buying club and the player.

A sell-on clause will be in the contract of sale, which exists regardless of the player’s contract or contracts with the buying club.

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

 

[Edmundo]

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

The sell-on only expires if he leaves the club on a free transfer.

 

[Banana]

It genuinely astounds me how many people still can't read the GPG tea leaves.

 

[Banana]

It genuinely astounds me how many people still can't read the GPG tea leaves.

Yeah but what if....some completely unrealistic scenario.....er.....might happen. I mean a one in a million chance?

Eh? what happens then? eh?

 

[Twickenhamben]

Its got to be good thinking for us that from our championship days, 3 of our players have left to directly, or indirectly, join Arsenal and win the PL or join them as reigning champions.
Whether we have to like Arsenal or not, theyve been one of the most consistent top 6 teams for decades.

Looking forward to Bidwell signing for them as well before the end of the window!

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

No.

 

[GlasgowBee]

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

I am not sure if you were a bit sozzled when you drafted this post, trying to be difficult, or just inviting the response of "you bring the two short planks, and I'll bring a nail, a hammer and the ruler."

Your first sentence is key and invites a comma. I have tediously added explanations for anyone with more time on their hands than they should have to read this. Fortunately I have all the time in the world because living by stereotype I reside in the East End of Glasgow and am therefore a complete and utter time wasting sponging f***wit

Anyhow, back to your first sentence...

"So if we sold him for 1m (thats the sale contract between the selling and buying club that would include any sell-on clause), on a 5 year contract (this is the other contract outlining the terms and conditions between player and the buying club)."

 

[SC]

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

Surely it's not that hard to understand. The length of contact, his pay whatever has absolutely no bearings on the contract we have with the buying club. We couldn't give a monkeys about those factors. We sell for x amount with other clauses whether they be performance related or sell-on. Unless something is specified in this section about expiry dates which I would suggest is highly unlikely, then the other clauses will always be live.

 

[ChesilB]

I cannot believe this is still up for discussion. We've got a significant sell on. That much should be clear to anyone, especially GPG members, and anyone who has seen how Giles and co operate.

I never had any time for Konsa either. He always looked and acted like he was doing us a massive favour by playing for us.

Great deal though.

 

[jlove]

So if we sold him for 1m on a 5 year contract. After 4 years they give him a 2 year extension and sell him after the 6th year. Then our sell on has presumably expired

The contract of sale between selling club and the buying club is entirely separate from any employment contract the buying club has with the player.

They could only be connected if clauses in the contract of sale referred to the player's contract and I really can’t believe any club would agree to a sell-on clause (or other add-on clauses, like international caps) in the contract of sale that referenced the buying club’s employment contract. They are independent of each other.