West Stand - A Call to Arms (5 Viewers)

[Trimm Trab]

Are these flags at cost price or is a profit being made? Maybe that is the angle Rebus is getting at?

No, he was accusing Gary off pocketing the money from the go fund me page that has been set up to pay for the flags.

 

[Sultan]

Are the sticks on these flags classed as poles? I know they are not being brought in but they are being allowed to exit the stadium.

 

[TOXIC BEE]

If you put the accusation to one side for a moment, it's perfectly reasonable for someone to dislike the idea of flags.

Think the biggest issue is that the people that moan about it just moan and nothing else.

If people dislike the idea of flags that’s absolutely fine, but why not suggest an alternative idea rather than slagging people off for at least trying something new?

Our atmosphere both home and away over the last few seasons has been quite comfortably one of the worst in the league. Whether or not you think flags are the answer, it’s clear something has to be done. We were playing for a first ever European qualification last season and yet massive games in the run in like Everton and Palace at home were dead silent for a lot of the game when the players needed us most.

Sunderland wasn’t amazing by any means, but it was still better than a lot of the games last season, and that’s despite swapping ends (which never helps) and a pretty poor performance, and the Spurs game was as loud as I’ve seen the Gtech outside Arsenal all those years ago.

Even besides the flags, some of the other small things being done are very helpful. For example at away games, making sure we put the family friendly section in the upper tier when we have multiple tiered away ends like Villa, City, Chelsea so that the quiet parts of our away end are further away from the pitch should be a great boost to our away atmosphere at those grounds.

As long as it’s not clappers, a drum, or an AI generated “anthem” like QPR, fair play to anyone who makes an effort.

 

[Sultan]

For me I am happy to accept that someone who organises and delivers something I really appreciate and like may make a profit.
What does it matter?
The club shop is full of merchandise from which many businesses make a profit.

Fair point, the club does not give a flying one about the half n half scarf merchants pocketing from the club.

 

[Sultan]

Think the biggest issue is that the people that moan about it just moan and nothing else.

If people dislike the idea of flags that’s absolutely fine, but why not suggest an alternative idea rather than slagging people off for at least trying something new?

Our atmosphere both home and away over the last few seasons has been quite comfortably one of the worst in the league. Whether or not you think flags are the answer, it’s clear something has to be done. We were playing for a first ever European qualification last season and yet massive games in the run in like Everton and Palace at home were dead silent for a lot of the game when the players needed us most.

Sunderland wasn’t amazing by any means, but it was still better than a lot of the games last season, and that’s despite swapping ends (which never helps) and a pretty poor performance, and the Spurs game was as loud as I’ve seen the Gtech outside Arsenal all those years ago.

Even besides the flags, some of the other small things being done are very helpful. For example at away games, making sure we put the family friendly section in the upper tier when we have multiple tiered away ends like Villa, City, Chelsea so that the quiet parts of our away end are further away from the pitch should be a great boost to our away atmosphere at those grounds.

As long as it’s not clappers, a drum, or an AI generated “anthem” like QPR, fair play to anyone who makes an effort.

Glittery pom poms?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Think the biggest issue is that the people that moan about it just moan and nothing else.

If people dislike the idea of flags that’s absolutely fine, but why not suggest an alternative idea rather than slagging people off for at least trying something new?

Our atmosphere both home and away over the last few seasons has been quite comfortably one of the worst in the league. Whether or not you think flags are the answer, it’s clear something has to be done. We were playing for a first ever European qualification last season and yet massive games in the run in like Everton and Palace at home were dead silent for a lot of the game when the players needed us most.

Sunderland wasn’t amazing by any means, but it was still better than a lot of the games last season, and that’s despite swapping ends (which never helps) and a pretty poor performance, and the Spurs game was as loud as I’ve seen the Gtech outside Arsenal all those years ago.

Even besides the flags, some of the other small things being done are very helpful. For example at away games, making sure we put the family friendly section in the upper tier when we have multiple tiered away ends like Villa, City, Chelsea so that the quiet parts of our away end are further away from the pitch should be a great boost to our away atmosphere at those grounds.

As long as it’s not clappers, a drum, or an AI generated “anthem” like QPR, fair play to anyone who makes an effort.

What if enough people wanted clappers, drums or an anthem?

 

[Banana]

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Are the sticks on these flags classed as poles? I know they are not being brought in but they are being allowed to exit the stadium.

The Operations/Security team approved the "poles" for use within the ground.

 

[AB]

Are these flags at cost price or is a profit being made? Maybe that is the angle Rebus is getting at?

Even then, as I understand it, the guy supplying the flags also spends a lot of time with people to help him put them together and lay them out. I doubt any mark up on the cost price of the flags is going to make him rich.

We’ve all moaned from time to time about the atmosphere at home games sometimes being a bit flat and a lot of fans have been putting in a lot of effort over the last year or so to try and find ways to improve it while not going against the grain or doing stuff like having drums, clappers etc which most would hate.

Not everything will be popular with everyone. I’ve spoken with long term fans who hate the “stand up if you love Brentford” song because they prefer to sit and don’t like the insinuation that sitting somehow marks them as less good fans. Away at Leeds the stewards sent me and my son to go and sit in the front row rather than find our seats in the singing safe standing section we’d bought. Just before kick off while most were standing to applaud the team on, as a courtesy I asked the couple behind me if they’d be standing much (the front section being reserved for sitting fans). They somewhat rudely said they’d call the stewards over to have me ejected if I stood and would write to the club to get me banned. I did risk standing for our goal and noticed they had too.

Atmosphere does have to come from us and it’s not as easy as “why don’t we all just sing up for the lads?”

That Nathan has donated on behalf of the players suggests that however much we might want to be Statler and Waldorf about it, the players noticed and liked what has been done with the flags. If someone got a couple of hundred quid for their trouble in working to get the flags out, it’s not a terrible deal for anyone.

 

[Banana]

That Nathan has donated on behalf of the players suggests that however much we might want to be Statler and Waldorf about it, the players noticed and liked what has been done with the flags. If someone got a couple of hundred quid for their trouble in working to get the flags out, it’s not a terrible deal for anyone.

Keith Andrews wrote about the positive impact it had in his programme notes vs Sunderland.

 

[smiffy superbee]

"We're the West Stand, we're the West Stand, we're the West Stand Lionel Road"
........any danger of North, South & East joining in?

 

[TorbayBee]

What do you suggest ?

 

[TOXIC BEE]

What if enough people wanted clappers, drums or an anthem?

Irrelevant question really because there never would be enough people wanting clappers, drums or an AI generated anthem at Brentford.

The flags on the other hand, are supported by a lot of people including the head coach and the players, who have both praised how much the atmosphere has improved the first 2 home games of the season.

 

[Freebee]

An alternative would be to turn off the overpowering music 20mins before kick off and get some proper fan rivalry going like it used to be.

 

[Houghton Bee]

Turn E215 and E115 in to safe standing zones, encourage the kids and chaps with soccer violence convictions to stand there = instant atmos.

 

[jlove]

Are the sticks on these flags classed as poles?

I've not got to touch one yet but they look like plastic to me.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Irrelevant question really because there never would be enough people wanting clappers, drums or an AI generated anthem at Brentford.

The flags on the other hand, are supported by a lot of people including the head coach and the players, who have both praised how much the atmosphere has improved the first 2 home games of the season.

Are you suggesting it's not worth me starting my clappers and drums business then?

 

[Sultan]

The Operations/Security team approved the "poles" for use within the ground.

Did they do the 'poke the pole in the eye' test?

 

[Sultan]

I've not got to touch one yet but they look like plastic to me.

Solid plastic or potential pea shooters?

 

[rebus]

No, he was accusing Gary off pocketing the money from the go fund me page that has been set up to pay for the flags.

I’ve written no such thing. Love you, Gary.

 

[jlove]

Solid plastic or potential pea shooters?

I never got close enough to see but I guessed solid. Someone on here must've held one, though...

 

[SC]

Irrelevant question really because there never would be enough people wanting clappers, drums or an AI generated anthem at Brentford.

And you know that for fact ? I am most certainly not an advocate for any of those but I bet a drum/ultra based support will be becoming more popular as we move forward.

Tbh, it makes me laugh how much abuse Palarses Holmesdale lot got over the years but you can't deny, the atmosphere they constantly generated home and away is pretty impressive really and something I'll admit to being a bit envious of. :saddo:

 

[cheshirebee]

I’ve written no such thing. Love you, Gary.

Is that a pair of oars I see ?
<<<

 

[TOXIC BEE]

And you know that for fact ? I am most certainly not an advocate for any of those but I bet a drum/ultra based support will be becoming more popular as we move forward.

Every away game where the opposition has a drum we consistently sing chants laughing about how pathetic it is. It’ll be the same at Bournemouth with their drummer on Saturday.

IIRC, TF actually suggested the use of a drum a few years back, and the idea was completely rejected by the fans involved in those meetings at the time.

I’d honestly be pretty amazed if a drum was ever allowed to become part of our support.

 

[Chomp]

I’ve written no such thing. Love you, Gary.

Oh dear. I think you are suffering from some sort of amnesia.

 

[aslan]

I’ve written no such thing. Love you, Gary.

Straight in Gary the gooner aka TW8 Casuals’ back pocket. Unbelievable he’s doing this in plain sight and everyone is falling for it. Was die-hard Arsenal fan until we started winning games.

As soon as it gets cold this will die a deserved death.

 

[SC]

Every away game where the opposition has a drum we consistently sing chants laughing about how pathetic it is. It’ll be the same at Bournemouth with their drummer on Saturday.

IIRC, TF actually suggested the use of a drum a few years back, and the idea was completely rejected by the fans involved in those meetings at the time.

I’d honestly be pretty amazed if a drum was ever allowed to become part of our support.

I'll play devil's advocate and counter that by saying its an obvious thing to sing when your own support dont use a drum (and i do join in). Also, those meetings will be attended by a very small amount of our fan base and I'd imagine very few of the newer fans.

I just think the noise our support makes at times, home and away is pretty poor with the odd exceptions and have no problems with people trying new things (even if in the case of the flags, I keep getting smacked on the head by the flag of the person behind)

 

[Bigbee]

The Operations/Security team approved the "poles" for use within the ground.

Polish Bees ?

 

[Bigbee]

I think the oldens who know Rebus ( He's younger than me! ) Know his passion for the club , its a shame he comes across a bit of a miserable git on here as from what I remember he isnt really . Maybe he's still going through " the change " like my wife did , she was no fun during that time either . I dont really like the flags either . maybe we should nick some other teams song and sing Brentford for ever during the waving . Its all a bit fake and new plastic fans , its not " us " but maybe " us " doesnt exist any more .As one dinosaur said to another , you need need to change your ways or you'll be in trouble mate . Nah I'm ok geez was the reply . At least some one is trying to increase the atmosphere . Maybe try to think of other ideas or get Hate Corner out of retirement and in the West to lead the singing

 

[Officer Dibble]

Polish Bees ?

Not a fan of these flags and the next obvious step will be the Palace / Chelsea / Liverpool banners that get passed across the terraces followed by that absolute cringe woo woo woo chant that those 'type' of clubs drone on ad infinitum.

However, if that's your bag here is the link Donate to TW8 Casuals Displays, organized by TW8 Casuals

 

[Bill Benn]

Rebus stop acting like a **** and spouting sh*te about Garry.Ive seen him at many away game when we were sh*te and you were nowhere to be seen.

 

[allanfinnie]

Don’t mind the flags, but hope we
never get those flamethrowers
Total waste of money.
I hope one never goes rogue

 

[lanzabee]

Turn E215 and E115 in to safe standing zones, encourage the kids and chaps with soccer violence convictions to stand there = instant atmos.

If we were to encourage any sort of quasi-ultra zone for the youth then this would be the spot. Hate Corner 2.0

 

[PLE]

I’ve written no such thing. Love you, Gary.

Rumour has it the anonymous donation of £1165 was from Chapman

 

[rebus]

Rebus stop acting like a **** and spouting sh*te about Garry.Ive seen him at many away game when we were sh*te and you were nowhere to be seen.

Get off the fence, Bill! Being going home and away regularly since 1993.

 

[Bill Benn]

Get off the fence, Bill! Being going home and away regularly since 1993.

Ain't we all but why the attack on Garry?im not into waving flags these days but from where i sit the flags looked brilliant.Think you should apologise for the crass innuendos you directed towards him.We all know about his Arsenal history and im sure most couldn’t care less.

 

[Simon C]

I've been Brentford for a similar amount of time as rebus and also had ties to a big club before Dad took my to my first match at GP at age 8. My folks moved to west London when they got together so we had no ties to the area. We might as well have been playing different sports back then, not just in different leagues. It happens and shouldn't rule out anyone's support, especially if they are putting effort into improving the atmosphere. It's another case of Brentford on Brentford always being more violent than any other trouble I've seen since that first match in 1988.

Kids down my street wear Brentford shirts from a young age now, which was impossible when I grew up. If you asked me in the past whether a flag display would be a good idea I'd say not for Brentford but times change and having been part of it I've changed my mind. New Brentford whether than is converts or young'uns are still Brentford.

 

[daddybee]

Hate Corner would be more like Colostomy Bag Corner these days

 

[nocoat]

Hate Corner would be more like Colostomy Bag Corner these days

Too soon !!

 

[spirebee]

Ain't we all but why the attack on Garry?im not into waving flags these days but from where i sit the flags looked brilliant.Think you should apologise for the crass innuendos you directed towards him.We all know about his Arsenal history and im sure most couldn’t care less.

I think some posters like Rebus think there's some sort of hierarchy that gives them a free pass to spout abrasive sh'te. Let's see what measures the mods take to stamp it out....

 

[Banana]

I think some posters like Rebus think there's some sort of hierarchy that gives them a free pass to spout abrasive sh'te. Let's see what measures the mods take to stamp it out....

You are the mod: what are you going to do?

 

[aslan]

I think some posters like Rebus think there's some sort of hierarchy that gives them a free pass to spout abrasive sh'te. Let's see what measures the mods take to stamp it out....

Opinions are allowed, even when they're wrong

 

[Edmundo]

I think some posters like Rebus think there's some sort of hierarchy that gives them a free pass to spout abrasive sh'te. Let's see what measures the mods take to stamp it out....

Why not let everyone make their own judgment?

 

[SC]

Opinions are allowed, even when they're wrong

There's opinions and then there are downright abusive posts. Anyone has the right to say they don't like, even hate someone's idea but his comments went far beyond that. People have been banned for a lot less. I assume this Gary? isn't a member of the GPG

 

[Banana]

I assume this Gary? isn't a member of the GPG

Not AFAIK, but he's free to join and correct rebus.

 

[spirebee]

You are the mod: what are you going to do?

I didn't make the rules on here....thanks.

 

[spirebee]

Opinions are allowed, even when they're wrong

You must be new around here? The inner circle are free to throw their handbags around. It's a ...er.. very well 'policed' site. Inconvenient truths aren't welcome

 

[Banana]

I didn't make the rules on here....thanks.

So I'm not sure what you are asking for. You want rebus subject to measures by "the mods" . Where I ask you what measures you want to see, you launch a complete non-sequitor where you state that you don't make the rules.

Perhaps you've just realised it's not straightforward?

 

[Untouchable]

You must be new around here? The inner circle are free to throw their handbags around. It's a ...er.. very well 'policed' site. Inconvenient truths aren't welcome

Who is this inner circle please?

 

[spirebee]

So I'm not sure what you are asking for. You want rebus subject to measures by "the mods" . Where I ask you what measures you want to see, you launch a complete non-sequitor where you state that you don't make the rules.

Perhaps you've just realised it's not straightforward?

I think a level playing field would be nice. I'm not emotionally attached, so will bid you fair well for now and leave it to you.

 

[Banana]

You must be new around here? The inner circle are free to throw their handbags around. It's a ...er.. very well 'policed' site. Inconvenient truths aren't welcome

Ahhhhhhhhh, here we go.

Can you give examples of how the "inner circle" and "outer circle" are "policed" differently?

Yours,
Two-tier Banana