Keane Lewis-Potter

[Ghost]

Agreed, but if you watch the highlights, he is facing play when the cross is delivered, at which point the Sunderland player already has hold of him and I think that plays a part in him turning around.

That’s where Diouf is less likely to be bullied I guess.

 

[hanworthbee]

He's a good player, but not a full back. We have players who are fit and specialised left backs. It's time to play Malick or Rico in that position and move Keano further forward to compete for a midfield slot.

Ironically west ham fans say he's a terrible defender ( Diouf)

 

[andyrew]

Ironically west ham fans say he's a terrible defender ( Diouf)

He ain't gonna improve his drfending sat on the bench

 

[Ghost]

Agreed, but if you watch the highlights, he is facing play when the cross is delivered, at which point the Sunderland player already has hold of him and I think that plays a part in him turning around.

Bring back the old days when holding was outlawed and you could tackle. It seems to be the reverse now.

 

[Hippobee]

He ain't gonna improve his drfending sat on the bench

Well, Diouf is becoming one of those GPG players that gets better the longer he is on the bench.

 

[andyrew]

Well, Diouf is becoming one of those GPG players that gets better the longer he is on the bench.

His crossing at least will please our forwards.

 

[forever gelson]

If you are not facing the ball you are very open to giving a penalty away. I'm amazed coaches allow this type of defending you can see it in every game.

 

[beeeehive]

You can't blame the Sunderland attacker for KLP having his arm wrapped around him throughout and pulling him back, if KLP had done a quick pull then faced him up it would have been fine, not a rugby tackle

 

[Ghost]

If you are not facing the ball you are very open to giving a penalty away. I'm amazed coaches allow this type of defending you can see it in every game.

To be fair it’s probably a reaction to the amount of holding and pulling in the modern game. Needs to be totally eradicated, it’s a scourge.

 

[Windmill Rd Bee]

As the season goes on and patterns begin to emerge, I could very much imagine KLP starting at LW in the toughest games e.g. Big 6 away, with Diouf at LB and Schade RW. A sort of evolution of the old Brentford way of going 5-3-2 against those sides, which thankfully Keith realised last season had outgrown its purpose.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

We had the same situation with Rico, they are too small to compete aerially so they have to resort to blocking, but they are not alone in this.

 

[forever gelson]

We had the same situation with Rico, they are too small to compete aerially so they have to resort to blocking, but they are not alone in this.

That is not blocking what he did he wasn't watching the ball and if he did it probably would have over both of them. He was grappling therefore fouling totally different to blocking

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

That is not blocking what he did he wasn't watching the ball and if he did it probably would have over both of them. He was grappling therefore fouling totally different to blocking

I thought he was blocking (by holding) and agree he was not looking at the ball, by holding the guy he was blocking his movement

 

[forever gelson]

I thought he was blocking (by holding) and agree he was not looking at the ball, by holding the guy he was blocking his movement

Blocking is using your body to stop the player getting to the ball. Using your arms is fouling.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

Blocking is using your body to stop the player getting to the ball. Using your arms is fouling.

He was using both, and both are fouls IMHO

 

[forever gelson]

He was using both, and both are fouls IMHO

So you are saying when a player let's a ball run out for a goalkick by using his body to stop the player from getting to the it that's a foul. It's not it is called blocking

 

[BmthBee]

Blocking is using your body to stop the player getting to the ball. Using your arms is fouling.

So Isidor should have been pulled up for the foul before KLP reacted to it then again that useless lump in charge saw very little wrong in what they were doing for the whole 90 minutes

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Stop with the chat about him being held. If he had faced up to the ball and used his body instead of wrapping his arms then it would have been defended better with no Pen. Or he would have been fouled.

He was at fault and the decision was the correct outcome. The winger was just smarter. KLP should have used his arms to block the winger not wrap them around him.

 

[TadB]

So Isidor should have been pulled up for the foul before KLP reacted to it then again that useless lump in charge saw very little wrong in what they were doing for the whole 90 minutes

The Lump was biased.

 

[TadB]

To be fair it’s probably a reaction to the amount of holding and pulling in the modern game. Needs to be totally eradicated, it’s a scourge.

Quite agree, however, the Referee has to be even handed, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Unfortunately many of our Referees fail to follow that maxim.

 

[westendbee]

Stop with the chat about him being held. If he had faced up to the ball and used his body instead of wrapping his arms then it would have been defended better with no Pen. Or he would have been fouled.

He was at fault and the decision was the correct outcome. The winger was just smarter. KLP should have used his arms to block the winger not wrap them around him.

But in another world (if Brentford were the attacking team) the incident would have been treated as the forward “initiating contact” …

 

[taxi driver]

Well, Diouf is becoming one of those GPG players that gets better the longer he is on the bench.

I reckon it might have more to do with a £40M price tag

 

[Greybeard]

He was using both, and both are fouls IMHO

Indeed they are. Blocking is obstruction and holding is a foul.

 

[Kingston Bee]

I

But in another world (if Brentford were the attacking team) the incident would have been treated as the forward “initiating contact” …

It doesnt really matter either way. What KLP did on saturday was give the referee a decision to make. Unfortunately once that happens your in the lap of the gods. Some you win, some you dont. One thing you cannot argue about was that KLP never looked at the ball, hopefully he will learn from that. I would like to see consistency throughout the season on this type of incident but its not going to happen, is it.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

So you are saying when a player let's a ball run out for a goalkick by using his body to stop the player from getting to the it that's a foul. It's not it is called blocking

No it isn't it is called shielding the ball.

 

[jlove]

I

It doesnt really matter either way. What KLP did on saturday was give the referee a decision to make. Unfortunately once that happens your in the lap of the gods. Some you win, some you dont. One thing you cannot argue about was that KLP never looked at the ball, hopefully he will learn from that. I would like to see consistency throughout the season on this type of incident but its not going to happen, is it.

An experienced full back – like Rico – would've been facing the ball while backing into the attacker then falling forward as soon as he felt the contact. You see it all the time in every game.

 

[Kingston Bee]

An experienced full back – like Rico – would've been facing the ball while backing into the attacker then falling forward as soon as he felt the contact. You see it all the time in every game.

You would like to think so but there are no guarantees. Players make stupid decisions all the time during games, often nothing negative comes of it. Gabriel one of the best defenders in the world made a couple of shall we say dubious decisions yesterday, but nothing came of it, on another day the referee would see fit to punish. Up until now KLP has been amazing at LB no doubt about it, and feeds into the way we now play which has evolved since Rico was first choice, but he is not perfect. We could easily be talking about Rico and the pen he conceeded last season against Sunderland away, just one of those things. It looks like MD will soon get his chance and hope he does well, but again he is not perfect. Think we just have to cut some slack to players who occassionally get it wrong, its going to happen whoever the player is.

 

[jlove]

You would like to think so but there are no guarantees.

I'd put it down to inexperience, not being a natural defender and not having the instincts of a defender, built up over years of experience. Entirely understandable, though.

 

[North London Bee]

An experienced full back – like Rico – would've been facing the ball while backing into the attacker then falling forward as soon as he felt the contact. You see it all the time in every game.

Perhaps but Rico conceded a penalty at Sunderland at the start of last season for doing the same thing as KLP.

They have had a penalty every time we have played them!

 

[Kingston Bee]

Perhaps but Rico conceded a penalty at Sunderland at the start of last season for doing the same thing as KLP.

They have had a penalty every time we have played them!

Agree with your first point, experience obviously helps but does not guarantee stupid decisions are not made in the heat of the battle by any player.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Perhaps but Rico conceded a penalty at Sunderland at the start of last season for doing the same thing as KLP.

They have had a penalty every time we have played them!

Given how quickly they hit the deck it is hardly surprising

 

[lalalalalalalalalaBooker]

Interesting to see the outrage from Arteta about the penalty Arsenal conceded against Sunderland - and he's right to be angry and it's incredible that VAR didn't at least query the award. But looks remarkably similar to the penalty that KLP conceded. Hopefully a Sunderland tactic that will be closed off now by proper officiating.

 

[BmthBee]

Interesting to see the outrage from Arteta about the penalty Arsenal conceded against Sunderland - and he's right to be angry and it's incredible that VAR didn't at least query the award. But looks remarkably similar to the penalty that KLP conceded. Hopefully a Sunderland tactic that will be closed off now by proper officiating.

Yea they are pretty good at conning refs with their falling over tactics at set pieces it seems

 

[alikat]

Yea they are pretty good at conning refs with their falling over tactics at set pieces it seems

The dark arts...

 

[damsgard.szn]

unfuckingbelievable today-
never seen a brentford player run at such pace while having the ball stuck to them since hmmm - benrahma

 

[David Brentford]

Such a key player for us now

 

[Hippobee]

unfuckingbelievable today-
never seen a brentford player run at such pace while having the ball stuck to them since hmmm - benrahma

You can understand why many of us raised our eyebrows at spending £40m on Diouff. The only way Diouff starts in the PL is if KLP gets injured on this form (or if he goes for mega money).

Diouff's time will come, but KLP has worked so hard to make that position his own. He is now the undroppable full back, not Kayode.

 

[badgerbee]

unfuckingbelievable today-
never seen a brentford player run at such pace while having the ball stuck to them since hmmm - benrahma

Kris Ajer....
'"Hold my beer......"

 

[hanworthbee]

Has he got faster !

 

[ziggys_human]

only denied my motm vote, against the pensioners, by young Schuster's unreal performance

 

[Bridge Bee]

The dribbling down the wing in the 2nd half was lovely to watch. Neto couldn’t be bothered to go with him meaning a centre back was dragged out and more space for our forwards. Lovely.

 

[To Bee Someone]

Tuchel has missed a trick here. What a wonderful player who keeps getting better. And never lets us down

 

[lanzabee]

only denied my motm vote, against the pensioners, by young Schuster's unreal performance

Snap

 

[shaun]

Great performance from KLP.

 

[jbee]

Just a terrific footballer hitting his peak and if we are going to eventually pick Diouf at LB then we need to find a place in the starting XI elsewhere for KLP because he is too good for the bench.

 

[Kingston Bee]

You can understand why many of us raised our eyebrows at spending £40m on Diouff. The only way Diouff starts in the PL is if KLP gets injured on this form (or if he goes for mega money).

Diouff's time will come, but KLP has worked so hard to make that position his own. He is now the undroppable full back, not Kayode.

Its about starters and finishers now so both can play like yesterday. Also gives us greater options which is very useful.

 

[gbems92]

He had a good battle with neto, could see them chirping at eachother throughout the game. KLP came out on top by far and is becoming one of my favourites

 

[Kingston Bee]

What i really liked about KLP at LB on Friday was his ability to find those little pockets just in front of the Chelsea defence which make him so difficult to pick up. In the first half especially a lot of our attacking play came down our left hand side, and because of his great all round play was causing them problems. It also allowed him to overlap countless times on the outside, especially in the second half. For me that is what sets him apart from Rico and Mallick, KLP just has so much more to offer going forward. Of course if you want to set up more defensively KA may look at other options but KLP is no slouch in that department either.

 

[brentford born & bred]

What i really liked about KLP at LB on Friday was his ability to find those little pockets just in front of the Chelsea defence which make him so difficult to pick up. In the first half especially a lot of our attacking play came down our left hand side, and because of his great all round play was causing them problems. It also allowed him to overlap countless times on the outside, especially in the second half. For me that is what sets him apart from Rico and Mallick, KLP just has so much more to offer going forward. Of course if you want to set up more defensively KA may look at other options but KLP is no slouch in that department either.

It is the Pep full back tweak, allowing the full back to come into midfield whilst the team are in possession. It is a role that many of us thought would suit Hickey, although KLP seems to have been given licence to get into more advanced attacking roles.
Whilst KLP is in forward positions, one of the midfielders normally drops into a left sided defensive position as cover. KLP only drops into a traditional left back position when we are out of possession. It is a role that suits KLP and KA deserves credit for both coaching it and spotting his potential for the role.
As you mention this fluidity in formation is difficult for the opposition to pick up and mark.

 

[North London Bee]

I think the key advantage we found was that Neto was apparently playing at wing back but I cannot remember him taking on any defensive responsibilities or tracking back and this gave KLP oceans of space to attack them in and he took full advantage.