England 2 Spain 3 - Nations League (5 Viewers)

[Lionel Bart-At]

That’s two of the crappest goals England have ever given away. They’re creating enough chances of their own without us joining in!

 

[JANORAK]

Well, Guehi’s having some game! Yellow now, get him off!

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Lewis-Skelly is OK but not sure he’s an international midfielder. Certainly not against this class of opposition.

 

[ladbroke]

They do currently deserve it

 

[JosephBFC]

Why is Quansah starting games for England? I really don’t get it

 

[LongLostBee]

Defence has been dire.
Midfield not great.
Bellingham and Gordon carrying all the threat with a bit of Saka fluffing stuff.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Defence has been dire.
Midfield not great.
Bellingham and Gordon carrying all the threat with a bit of Saka fluffing stuff.

So let's take our best player off! f***ing ridiculous

 

[ladbroke]

Defence has been dire.
Midfield not great.
Bellingham and Gordon carrying all the threat with a bit of Saka fluffing stuff.

We need a new "Saka" that plays like the two Spanish based players...

 

[ladbroke]

So let's take our best player off! f***ing ridiculous

And replace him with Rogers who, may have done well in a few starts for Chelsea, has not had a good few touches already in this match.

 

[BEEcool]

Saka's end product has been

 

[WarrenBee]

So, basically we've learned nothing!
What a complete waste of time this.

 

[longtimeagobee]

Anthony Gordon seems to have discovered a sense of balance in Spain, don’t think he dived once tonight
M.o.M. (For England)

 

[BEEcool]

Didn't know who the f*ck that was coming on for England for a mo

 

[ladbroke]

The subs on have been very uninspiring

 

[ladbroke]

Branthwaite or whatever his name is... 2 touches. Both passes to keeper.

 

[ladbroke]

Branthwaite or whatever his name is... 2 touches. Both passes to keeper.

His next was to Yamal.

 

[Untouchable]

Last chance to get the ball into a dangerous area and punts it straight into the keepers arms. Pathetic.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Anthony Gordon seems to have discovered a sense of balance in Spain, don’t think he dived once tonight
M.o.M. (For England)

Bellingham. Incredible player.

 

[JosephBFC]

Baffling team selection and even more confusing substitutions

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Not a bad effort. We should have scored three and they rarely concede. But you can’t give the ball away in your own third like we did tonight. Bellingham and Gordon superb.

 

[LongLostBee]

Bellingham. Incredible player.

I’d possibly give Gordon MoM but Bellingham’s quality just stands out a mile and even the likes of Spain struggle to contain him.

 

[TorbayBee]

Why is Quansah starting games for England? I really don’t get it

Yes he is a stiff beanpole, it’s beyond belief. I am no Alexander Arnold fan but surely he offers something going forward. To succeed at this level you need adaptable players who can change games- he’s crap

 

[The Pipe]

Ultimately did better than I expected after that first 10 mins or so.

Was a positive that we didn’t try and sit on our lead and, if Kane hadn’t slipped, would have been in a very strong position. The negative from the game was how poor our defending was, gifting Spain 2 of their 3 goals.

Gordon was MoM for me and I was impressed with Anderson and O’Reilly plus Bellingham ( but I wish he would stay on his feet more)

The media continues to build up our players as if they were world beaters however in reality we are competent with the odd sprinkle of class.

 

[filmyfan]

Useful CB sub but not a RB

 

[NickThe(Half)Greek]

The media continues to build up our players as if they were world beaters however in reality we are competent with the odd sprinkle of class.

Exactly this.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

The media continues to build up our players as if they were world beaters however in reality we are competent with the odd sprinkle of class.

I felt that incompetence was a major contributor to our downfall tonight.

 

[Rob-BEE]

The media continues to build up our players as if they were world beaters however in reality we are competent with the odd sprinkle of class.

Not sure if it's just an English trait but there always seem to be a gap between expectation and reality, regardless of how good our current set of players are. I'd say we probably have the best team we've had in my (46 year) lifetime but the fact that we're a notch below the absolute best in the world isn't good enough for some people or most sections of the media.

As an aside, I would rank us a bit better than just "competent with a sprinkle of class" as I think there's only 2 sides in the world who are definitely better than us, but i get your point.

 

[TW3Bee]

Did all three Spain goals come from mistakes by us?

 

[JCMcBee]

Bellingham. Incredible player.

....was raining that day in Birmingham when he came off the bench..... would love to see him ply his trade at the GTech one day... he's a footballer alright.

 

[JCMcBee]

....was raining that day in Birmingham when he came off the bench..... would love to see him ply his trade at the GTech one day... he's a footballer alright.

...I meant for Real Madrid of course...in the CL... We've both upgraded.

 

[mhead bee]

If he stays on his feet, he can be bl**dy good!

Or maybe we are starting to learn the ONLY way to win something.

 

[mhead bee]

I thought we looked bloody good in stages, going forward mainly. Spain were super on the ball, of course.

Our defence is awful, for 7-8 years, our defence has been awful, we need to stop developing inverted wingers and start developing defenders.

The penalty summed up VAR and the utter car crash that it is. First view at full speed looks like maybe a pen. 1st replay, um, maybe a penalty. Second angle, not so sure, Third angle, nope, never, total dive, never a pen. Gets referred to VAR, we are all thinking, are you sure, never a pen. Ref gets called over, and they only show him the first and second angle that look like a pen, but don't show the third angle which 100% proves it wasn't a pen. Why?

Kane takes pen, slips, does a double touch, 100% re take, nope, ref gives free kick to keeper.

You have as long as you want to look at the replays, how can you get such obvious stuff so spectacularly wrong, over and over.

 

[JCMcBee]

Or maybe we are starting to learn the ONLY way to win something.

...I disliked the long haired lover from Liverpool with a passion... whilst he was playing in England..not because he was a Scouser(some of them are British lest we forget)...but because he felt the need to simulate...he didn't have to do that... because he's a natural and talented footballer... playing for Barcelona... similar to Bellingham playing for Madrid... will be the making of him....take the boy out of Liverpool/Birmingham... wherever...and you'll find the man....which really doesn't say a lot or auger well for this country of ours...in footballing terms... for the next generation.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Did all three Spain goals come from mistakes by us?

Why are you asking or was it a rhetorical question?
Mistake doesn't begin to do justice to the utter, unbelievable at this level, utter car crash that was our defence.

 

[Banana]

Did all three Spain goals come from mistakes by us?

ALL goals come from defensive errors.

 

[SpiderBee]

ALL goals come from defensive errors.

That is CRAP!

 

[JANORAK]

Did all three Spain goals come from mistakes by us?

Yes! If you consider passing straight to them, or leaving a flipping great hole in the line, as mistakes!

 

[Banana]

That is CRAP!

You can argue with two people that know more than me if you want.

 

[badgerbee]

Kane takes pen, slips, does a double touch, 100% re take, nope, ref gives free kick to keeper.

Which was of course the correct decision for a double touch.
Laws state this.

 

[Jezybee]

That is CRAP!

If both teams’ defending is 100% perfect, then every match would end 0-0. There’s always something, however remote, that could have been done to prevent a goal.

 

[Nada Bee]

Which was of course the correct decision for a double touch.
Laws state this.

Under the updated IFAB rules, an accidental "double-touch" during a penalty kick results in the kick being retaken if it goes into the goal, whereas a deliberate double touch or an unsuccessful accidental touch results in an indirect free-kick for the defending team or is recorded as a miss in a shootout.

 

[hanworthbee]

Anthony Gordon seems to have discovered a sense of balance in Spain, don’t think he dived once tonight
M.o.M. (For England)

His game has gone up a level since he's gone to Barcelona

 

[hanworthbee]

I thought we looked bloody good in stages, going forward mainly. Spain were super on the ball, of course.

Our defence is awful, for 7-8 years, our defence has been awful, we need to stop developing inverted wingers and start developing defenders.

The penalty summed up VAR and the utter car crash that it is. First view at full speed looks like maybe a pen. 1st replay, um, maybe a penalty. Second angle, not so sure, Third angle, nope, never, total dive, never a pen. Gets referred to VAR, we are all thinking, are you sure, never a pen. Ref gets called over, and they only show him the first and second angle that look like a pen, but don't show the third angle which 100% proves it wasn't a pen. Why?

Kane takes pen, slips, does a double touch, 100% re take, nope, ref gives free kick to keeper.

You have as long as you want to look at the replays, how can you get such obvious stuff so spectacularly wrong, over and over.

Luckily the refs know the laws of the game

 

[SlumanBee]

Crazy that the biggest positive watching that last night, was that it was a good game? We went after it, attacked with pace, we wanted it. Hardly ever see England play like that. Of course we were sloppy, but It was an enjoyable watch tbh.

 

[JANORAK]

Crazy that the biggest positive watching that last night, was that it was a good game? We went after it, attacked with pace, we wanted it. Hardly ever see England play like that. Of course we were sloppy, but It was an enjoyable watch tbh.

A glorious failure. Chastise the grounds person, and move on.

 

[Rob-BEE]

ALL goals come from defensive errors.

What about a penalty given incorrectly? A refereeing error but not necessarily a defensive error.

I'd also suggest any goal with a vanishing low xG is probably not a result of a defensive error.

 

[mhead bee]

Luckily the refs know the laws of the game

Yeah, really lucky

 

[mhead bee]

Under the updated IFAB rules, an accidental "double-touch" during a penalty kick results in the kick being retaken if it goes into the goal, whereas a deliberate double touch or an unsuccessful accidental touch results in an indirect free-kick for the defending team or is recorded as a miss in a shootout.

Yes, you are right.

I thought due to the scum bag cheats scuffing the spot they changes it to give the attacker a second attempt if he slips, which would seem fair. Retaking if they accidentally slip on a cheats scuff mark and score, seems unfair.

 

[Banana]

What about a penalty given incorrectly?

 

[shaun]

Yes he is a stiff beanpole, it’s beyond belief. I am no Alexander Arnold fan but surely he offers something going forward. To succeed at this level you need adaptable players who can change games- he’s crap

He can change games…..