Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

This Etihad Airlines "angle". If it was all so innocent then why didn't MCFC get them involved into independent tribunial? Bit weird to be crying about your expensive lawyers' basic error now. Best sure their Professional Indemnety insurers. I'm sure it will all go very well.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

It'll be about self interest. The ones at the top will want them gone to improve their chances of the title, CL qualification etc. The ones at the bottom will want them gone or a big deduction as it'll improve their chances of staying up.

I don't believe sky journalism as again it's self interest for them as presumably they want them to stay in the league for TV package revenue
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

hanworthbee said:
I don't believe sky journalism as again it's self interest for them as presumably they want them to stay in the league for TV package revenue
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Sky would be far more concerned if it were one of the big clubs with massive overseas following.

They also don't want the "product" tarnished by cheating
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

I've not read the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or re-opening stuff that's been done to death.

The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.

This debacle destroys the argument that clubs just need to be well run, scout well and recruit managers well and then they too can compete. Look at you, Bournemouth and Brighton; well run, scouting well and recruiting managers well. With all due respect, you're nowhere near challenging consistently for the Champions League spots, let alone the title. Man City had to break the financial rules to the tune of nearly £1bn to be a genuine threat. But not in the same way as Chelsea did... that's not as bad because reasons.

Debt-Linked Anchoring seems fair to me.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
I've not read the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or re-opening stuff that's been done to death.

The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.

This debacle destroys the argument that clubs just need to be well run, scout well and recruit managers well and then they too can compete. Look at you, Bournemouth and Brighton; well run, scouting well and recruiting managers well. With all due respect, you're nowhere near challenging consistently for the Champions League spots, let alone the title. Man City had to break the financial rules to the tune of nearly £1bn to be a genuine threat. But not in the same way as Chelsea did... that's not as bad because reasons.

Debt-Linked Anchoring seems fair to me.
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We were out of the top two leagues in England for our entire post-war history bar one season. Us being a top half PL team while operating within the rules is a much more difficult and impressive achievement than it would be to turn Newcastle into title challengers under the same conditions. You could be there already without countless daft transfer decisions.

To my mind there will always be some level of unfairness. It is a little unfair that current rules entrench existing hierarchies, but it is not obvious to me that a fairer situation would be one where the most successful teams are simply those with the most generous sugar daddies. And allowing clubs to basically be owned by nation states looks increasingly untenable. Put simply: why should anyone outside of your fanbase care about your predicament? Especially given that many find your owners despicable for non-football reasons.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.
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I think you misspelt "ripped up and forgotten so Newcastle can financially dope exactly like Chelsea and Man City have done over the last two decades but without any risk of getting in trouble." 😉
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The only real way to make it fair is transfer&salary&registration caps.
This won't happen.
It will remain a stacked deck.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
I've not read the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or re-opening stuff that's been done to death.

The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.

This debacle destroys the argument that clubs just need to be well run, scout well and recruit managers well and then they too can compete. Look at you, Bournemouth and Brighton; well run, scouting well and recruiting managers well. With all due respect, you're nowhere near challenging consistently for the Champions League spots, let alone the title. Man City had to break the financial rules to the tune of nearly £1bn to be a genuine threat. But not in the same way as Chelsea did... that's not as bad because reasons.

Debt-Linked Anchoring seems fair to me.
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... being a Brentford supporter is amazing....we have an owner who is both financially and emotionally invested in our club....you as a Newcastle supporter....and all the other PL teams supporters...barring perhaps Brighton...cannot possibly know what that really feels like....but I bet you wish you could mate eh.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

jbee said:
We were out of the top two leagues in England for our entire post-war history bar one season. Us being a top half PL team while operating within the rules is a much more difficult and impressive achievement than it would be to turn Newcastle into title challengers under the same conditions. You could be there already without countless daft transfer decisions.

To my mind there will always be some level of unfairness. It is a little unfair that current rules entrench existing hierarchies, but it is not obvious to me that a fairer situation would be one where the most successful teams are simply those with the most generous sugar daddies. And allowing clubs to basically be owned by nation states looks increasingly untenable. Put simply: why should anyone outside of your fanbase care about your predicament? Especially given that many find your owners despicable for non-football reasons.
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Few things there to unpack.

You say we could be title challengers in one paragraph, then concede the current rules entrench existing hierarchies in the next. It can't be both.
I don't know which transfer decisions you see as daft, but I'd wager it's buying Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga? All 3 of those were down to a player forcing a move to one of the established elite. All 3 were forced because of these rules.
You present the current rules, or a free-for-all as the only options. I don't believe that's true.
I agree that states shouldn't own football clubs.
I'm not sure what part of my post made you think I was looking for sympathy?

Truth is that the route to being a title challenger is shut. The career of a footballer is short and the players who can deliver a title challenge aren't going to hang around at a club who aren't going to challenge for the title. We weren't enough of a threat to the elite to persuade our best players to stick around, we weren't allowed to provide sufficient compensation to persuade them to stick around and under these rules there's not a future where that's going to change.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
I've not read the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or re-opening stuff that's been done to death.

The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.

This debacle destroys the argument that clubs just need to be well run, scout well and recruit managers well and then they too can compete. Look at you, Bournemouth and Brighton; well run, scouting well and recruiting managers well. With all due respect, you're nowhere near challenging consistently for the Champions League spots, let alone the title. Man City had to break the financial rules to the tune of nearly £1bn to be a genuine threat. But not in the same way as Chelsea did... that's not as bad because reasons.

Debt-Linked Anchoring seems fair to me.
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I think you have posted on PSR on here before and you may remember what many of us think.

You are not going to get many Brentford fans to sympathise with Newcastle fans in thinking "the rules are unfair anyway", whilst we support a club that is self sufficient without a nation state backing us.

We have done brilliantly to get to where we are so far, and we are safe as houses on PSR., which is not holding us back. Nobody in their right minds is frustrated because Brentford are not challenging for top 5 / the title regularly.

You may think this is a good time to scout around for sympathy for a "PSR is so unfair campaign" but I'm sure this is not the place to find it.

This thread isn't even about Newcastle's PSR struggles anyway. Every club signed up for the rules and City broke them spectacularly.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

VitaminBee said:
I think you misspelt "ripped up and forgotten so Newcastle can financially dope exactly like Chelsea and Man City have done over the last two decades but without any risk of getting in trouble." 😉
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No, I misspelt " There should be Debt-Linked Anchoring rules put in place so that clubs can be free to speculate, but protected from recklessness. Clubs shouldn't be allowed to operate with huge non-capex debt. The rules shouldn't premiumise the selling of academy graduates. 5x the revenue of the 'poorest' club, less the non-capex and transfer debt payments due to be spent on fees, and averaged annual wage."
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

I am beginning to think what Ciy are doing now is just as bad, if not worse, than the blatant cheating they committed for a decade.

They are determined to defend their web of deceit at literally any cost. They have zero regard for the impact on the Premier League, zero regard for the impact on other football clubs and zero interest in anything that doesn't preserve their own asses. They don't even understand what footballing integrity means.

They are like a tenant who hasnt paid rent for a yeat that's going to be evicted but will torch the place on the way out just out of a false, twisted sense of injustice.

If this goes on for months or years making a mockery of the EPL at what point do fans or others start taking action. Whos gonna be the first City player to say f*** this BS I'm out? Could the other 19 EPL clubs all refuse to fulfil their Manchetser City fixtures?

It's absolutely clear that City's own deluded fan base will want to carry on in their own deluded fantasy world so no way they will front up to the club and tell them to give it up.

Honestly, I am so angry that this mob think they have a god given right to sh*t all over the rules which every other club (bar a couple) sweat their b***ocks off to comply with and then cry like children when they get caught with their hands in the til.

Scum.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Jay Bee said:
I think you have posted on PSR on here before and you may remember what many of us think.

You are not going to get many Brentford fans to sympathise with Newcastle fans in thinking "the rules are unfair anyway", whilst we support a club that is self sufficient without a nation state backing us.

We have done brilliantly to get to where we are so far, and we are safe as houses on PSR., which is not holding us back. Nobody in their right minds is frustrated because Brentford are not challenging for top 5 / the title regularly.

You may think this is a good time to scout around for sympathy for a "PSR is so unfair campaign" but I'm sure this is not the place to find it.

This thread isn't even about Newcastle's PSR struggles anyway. Every club signed up for the rules and City broke them spectacularly.
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Aye that's fair and I'm honestly not looking to rally Brentford fans to my cause or owt. I just think what's important from all of this is that Man City are guilty and should be punished, but the rules are bullshit.

Like, say Brentford continue to grow and have genuine ambitions to consistently get into Champions League, but every time they look like making that dream a reality they are held back. Not by on field performances, not by scouting, not by recruitment, but because they don't have a £1.5bn entertainment venue that moonlights as a football stadium. Because they don't have an Official Agricultural Equipment Partner. So you're doing everything right (and you are) in a football sense, but it's bullshittery off the pitch that prevents you achieving your ambitions.


re: Man City One thing I've seen time and again is that "they voted for the rules". People should stop conflating voting for something, with being in favour of something.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
No, I misspelt " There should be Debt-Linked Anchoring rules put in place so that clubs can be free to speculate, but protected from recklessness. Clubs shouldn't be allowed to operate with huge non-capex debt. The rules shouldn't premiumise the selling of academy graduates. 5x the revenue of the 'poorest' club, less the non-capex and transfer debt payments due to be spent on fees, and averaged annual wage."
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Well then you're just being disingenuous, because the only word there that most people from Newcastle would recognise is 'debt' :fishing:
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

JCMcBee said:
... being a Brentford supporter is amazing....we have an owner who is both financially and emotionally invested in our club....you as a Newcastle supporter....and all the other PL teams supporters...barring perhaps Brighton...cannot possibly know what that really feels like....but I bet you wish you could mate eh.
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I'm old enough to remember financially and emotionally invested owners. I remember with great fondness those times. But I'm old enough to know that owners aren't permanent.
 

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The Fish said:
Few things there to unpack.

You say we could be title challengers in one paragraph, then concede the current rules entrench existing hierarchies in the next. It can't be both.
I don't know which transfer decisions you see as daft, but I'd wager it's buying Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga? All 3 of those were down to a player forcing a move to one of the established elite. All 3 were forced because of these rules.
You present the current rules, or a free-for-all as the only options. I don't believe that's true.
I agree that states shouldn't own football clubs.
I'm not sure what part of my post made you think I was looking for sympathy?

Truth is that the route to being a title challenger is shut. The career of a footballer is short and the players who can deliver a title challenge aren't going to hang around at a club who aren't going to challenge for the title. We weren't enough of a threat to the elite to persuade our best players to stick around, we weren't allowed to provide sufficient compensation to persuade them to stick around and under these rules there's not a future where that's going to change.
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Yes the rules entrench existing hierarchies. I'm not actually against them being tweaked in some way. But I don't think it is impossible for a club like Villa or Newcastle to break in even now. God knows Man Utd are trying their best to make room for you. But until your commercial revenues are sufficient you have to be clever with player trading. No, you will not be able to keep your best players but you will nevertheless be able to gradually improve your team, we have been doing it for ten years. And I wouldn't be so sure if I were you that Brighton, for example, couldn't become CL staples or even title challengers.

But we are going off the thread topic. WRT Man City the issue is they knew the rules and agreed to them and then flagrantly broke them. For the integrity of the league they need severe sanctions.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
Aye that's fair and I'm honestly not looking to rally Brentford fans to my cause or owt. I just think what's important from all of this is that Man City are guilty and should be punished, but the rules are bullshit.

Like, say Brentford continue to grow and have genuine ambitions to consistently get into Champions League, but every time they look like making that dream a reality they are held back. Not by on field performances, not by scouting, not by recruitment, but because they don't have a £1.5bn entertainment venue that moonlights as a football stadium. Because they don't have an Official Agricultural Equipment Partner. So you're doing everything right (and you are) in a football sense, but it's bullshittery off the pitch that prevents you achieving your ambitions.


re: Man City One thing I've seen time and again is that "they voted for the rules". People should stop conflating voting for something, with being in favour of something.
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We are not being prevented from achieving this or that by the rules. I think you are taking your club's frustrations (and Villa, and Forest) and applying them to everyone.

We are a small club that are doing fantastically well to be in the top 10 of the PL. If we make it higher at some point it'll be great but we limit ourselves short of the maximum spending rules, and we will keep selling our best players without it being seen as the end of the world.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

jbee said:
Yes the rules entrench existing hierarchies. I'm not actually against them being tweaked in some way. But I don't think it is impossible for a club like Villa and Newcastle to break in. But until your commercial revenues are sufficient you have to be clever with player trading. No, you will not be able to keep your best players but you will nevertheless be able to gradually improve your team, we have been doing for ten years.

But we are going off the thread topic. WRT Man City the issue is they knew the rules and agreed to them and then flagrantly broke them. For the integrity of the league they need severe sanctions.
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Yeah, all clubs can recruit shrewdly, can have succession plans in place, coach well and improve players, but until the rules change all of that serves simply as an affordable scouting department for the entrenched elite.

They definitely deserve massive sanctions. I think the ripples of this will roll on for years.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Jay Bee said:
We are not being prevented from achieving this or that by the rules. I think you are taking your club's frustrations (and Villa, and Forest) and applying them to everyone.

We are a small club that are doing fantastically well to be in the top 10 of the PL. If we make it higher at some point it'll be great but we limit ourselves short of the maximum spending rules, and we will keep selling our best players without it being seen as the end of the world.
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I'm guessing you're a little older? But the new breed of Brentford fans will see where you are now as the new groundfloor. The newer fans will grow frustrated by the limits put on you.
 

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Banana said:
Colour me surprised that another state-owned club think the rules are "protectionist bullshit".
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Ask Aston Villa fans. Ask Everton, or Forest.

Then tell me these concerns are restricted to fans of clubs who're stuck with a foreign state owning their club.
 

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The Fish said:
I'm guessing you're a little older? But the new breed of Brentford fans will see where you are now as the new groundfloor. The newer fans will grow frustrated by the limits put on you.
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No-one will be frustrated as we don't have an arabic state using us for sports washing. But if that what rocks your boat in the NE then crack on.
 

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The Fish said:
Ask Aston Villa fans. Ask Everton, or Forest.

Then tell me these concerns are restricted to fans of clubs who're stuck with a foreign state owning their club.
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They all voted FOR the new rules, alongwith yourselves.

I think you must be a new fan too. Otherwise you would understand the whole background why these rules have been welcome with open arms by fans of clubs.
 

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The Fish said:
I'm guessing you're a little older? But the new breed of Brentford fans will see where you are now as the new groundfloor. The newer fans will grow frustrated by the limits put on you.
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I'm 42 which makes me a relative youngster around here. But I remember the old times.
Some new fans have a lot to learn maybe, they are welcome to be Bees fans, but at least a few of the noisy ones have been complaining and ungrateful throughout our rise. because they do not understand the model.

Anyway we limit our spending, that is the owners choice. "The limits" are not what made Brentford finish 9th last season instead of say 4th.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
Few things there to unpack.

You say we could be title challengers in one paragraph, then concede the current rules entrench existing hierarchies in the next. It can't be both.
I don't know which transfer decisions you see as daft, but I'd wager it's buying Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga? All 3 of those were down to a player forcing a move to one of the established elite. All 3 were forced because of these rules.
You present the current rules, or a free-for-all as the only options. I don't believe that's true.
I agree that states shouldn't own football clubs.
I'm not sure what part of my post made you think I was looking for sympathy?

Truth is that the route to being a title challenger is shut. The career of a footballer is short and the players who can deliver a title challenge aren't going to hang around at a club who aren't going to challenge for the title. We weren't enough of a threat to the elite to persuade our best players to stick around, we weren't allowed to provide sufficient compensation to persuade them to stick around and under these rules there's not a future where that's going to change.
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I just want to join in on the transfers...as I never understood Newcastle's philosophy under Howe. Chris Wood, Harvey Barnes, Joe Willock, and Jacob Ramsay are pretty awful deals for a team that wanted to become a CL regular. And that's before we get to the book fudging done with the transfer for Vlachodimos.

We have built ourselves into a club just outside Europe on a fraction of the expense (because this is a wages game after all), and I'd say there's not (m)any positions where we're weaker... in fact, I'd be amazed if you guys finished in front of us this season.

I actually think your business this season is the best you've done in years (got rid of the Howe's was a gamechanger).

Yes, the rules do hold back the smaller clubs. But I would much rather they exist than have a situation like France, where PSG basically run the league. Because of the huge TV revenue, the PL is much more equitable than any other league, and it shows in the competition for european slots, with 1-2 "outsiders" qualifying every year. Yeah, so it's going to be nearly impossible to turn that into title challenges, but I'd rather take it slow and maybe we can have a chance when I'm an old man, rather than risk the club going out of business.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Banana said:
They all voted FOR the new rules, alongwith yourselves.

I think you must be a new fan too. Otherwise you would understand the whole background why these rules have been welcome with open arms by fans of clubs.
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The clubs voted for these rules because the prior rules were worse. You're conflating voting in favour of something, with actually wanting that thing.

All it takes is a step back to realise who benefits most from the current rules. It's not the "little" clubs, it's not the midtable clubs, it's not the top half is fine clubs, it's not ambitious clubs, is it? It's the established clubs. they're the ones whose position at the top of the pile is protected. They're the ones who see their income protected by these rules. All clubs voted in their own self interest at the time. Mike Ashley wanted the original rules and voted them in because the man had zero ambition. The new owners voted in favour of change because PSR was more restrictive to our ambitions than the SCR proposals are. Guarantee if there were options that allowed them to flex their finances more, they'd have preferred to vote for them. (Not that I'm in favour of free-for-all spending ruling)
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
The clubs voted for these rules because the prior rules were worse. You're conflating voting in favour of something, with actually wanting that thing.

All it takes is a step back to realise who benefits most from the current rules. It's not the "little" clubs, it's not the midtable clubs, it's not the top half is fine clubs, it's not ambitious clubs, is it? It's the established clubs. they're the ones whose position at the top of the pile is protected. They're the ones who see their income protected by these rules. All clubs voted in their own self interest at the time. Mike Ashley wanted the original rules and voted them in because the man had zero ambition. The new owners voted in favour of change because PSR was more restrictive to our ambitions than the SCR proposals are. Guarantee if there were options that allowed them to flex their finances more, they'd have preferred to vote for them. (Not that I'm in favour of free-for-all spending ruling)
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We are both a little club and a mid table club, and I think the rules benefit us.
 

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Banana said:
Yes, but the same owners could buy (say) Wrexham and get promoted via another vehicle.

There's political angle in this too. The UAE are one of the UK's allies in many ways. Calling them cheats etc. is probably not a good look when the govt are next trying to sell them some military hardware. Thems are the dangers of letting nation states own clubs in the PL.
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Spot on. Great article in yesterday’s Guardian putting this case forward. This will undoubtedly have a diplomatic perspective.
 

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The Fish said:
I don't know which transfer decisions you see as daft, but I'd wager it's buying Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga? All 3 of those were down to a player forcing a move to one of the established elite. All 3 were forced because of these rules.
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Can you take your pity party elsewhere?
This is complete nonsense. Did you forget who you bought Wissa from? Then remind me who we were "forced" to sign after he engineered his move "up the food chain"?
 

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The Fish said:
I'm old enough to remember financially and emotionally invested owners. I remember with great fondness those times. But I'm old enough to know that owners aren't permanent.
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.... your club is a toy for your owners... same as that lot at city... once they get fed up with it.. they'll bin you...they don't give two f***s about your club and your supporters.... you're just playthings.
 

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The Fish said:
I've not read the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or re-opening stuff that's been done to death.

The consensus among the Newcastle fans I've talked to about this are; the rules are protectionist bullshit, and Man City should be punished severely for breaking them, and the rules should be rewritten.

This debacle destroys the argument that clubs just need to be well run, scout well and recruit managers well and then they too can compete. Look at you, Bournemouth and Brighton; well run, scouting well and recruiting managers well. With all due respect, you're nowhere near challenging consistently for the Champions League spots, let alone the title. Man City had to break the financial rules to the tune of nearly £1bn to be a genuine threat. But not in the same way as Chelsea did... that's not as bad because reasons.

Debt-Linked Anchoring seems fair to me.
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Sounds like a Newcastle fan who is just envious of man city and wants his club to be able to spend whatever they want and buy every trophy going

Saying that would anyone be surprised if a whole of these guilty verdicts are overturned
 

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My problem with all of this is that my belief is that many clubs are at it also. The whole EPL is a cash cow that so many ‘investors’want a share of. Do not get me wrong, I love watching the Bees play against fabulous teams (and beat them) but I am under no illusion that this is a level playing field or that ethics and integrity have anything to do with it. Yes , obviously we must punish City severely but the faux squeals and indignation from other clubs and their fans turns my stomach. Hypocrisy is rife.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Banana said:
Enough of Newcastle United on this thread.
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And never forget which six clubs voted against SCR - Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace, Fulham and Leeds. Not the supposed “anti-cartellists” Villa and Newcastle.
 
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Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

So their irrefutable evidence that they are innocent of charges that their sponsor didn't fund the entirety of the sponsorship payments was that, er, their sponsor didn't fund it, the government did. That's not going to take much refuting, IMHO.

Also, what's it got to do with Mancini's dodgy contracts/payments?
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

The Fish said:
Aye that's fair and I'm honestly not looking to rally Brentford fans to my cause or owt. I just think what's important from all of this is that Man City are guilty and should be punished, but the rules are bullshit.

Like, say Brentford continue to grow and have genuine ambitions to consistently get into Champions League, but every time they look like making that dream a reality they are held back. Not by on field performances, not by scouting, not by recruitment, but because they don't have a £1.5bn entertainment venue that moonlights as a football stadium. Because they don't have an Official Agricultural Equipment Partner. So you're doing everything right (and you are) in a football sense, but it's bullshittery off the pitch that prevents you achieving your ambitions.


re: Man City One thing I've seen time and again is that "they voted for the rules". People should stop conflating voting for something, with being in favour of something.
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Not sure that I agree with this, but what I do know that if you vote for something you can hardly keep on complaining about it.
 

Manchester City Found Guilty Of FFP Breaches

Edmundo said:
So their irrefutable evidence that they are innocent of charges that their sponsor didn't fund the entirety of the sponsorship payments was that, er, their sponsor didn't fund it, the government did. That's not going to take much refuting, IMHO.

Also, what's it got to do with Mancini's dodgy contracts/payments?
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Plus this has already been considered by the commission and rejected:

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Their ground of appeal is essentially to disagree with the commissions findings. Good luck with that.
 

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