Mamadou Sangaré

[North London Bee]

Another intelligent, reserved and thoughtful man.

 

[Lozza]

Mature, thoughtful, ambitious, eloquent. And completely bought into the project and the 'coach'.

 

[jbee]

Liked him when he came on and we obviously need him now with no Yarmo or Janelt for the Hull game. Chance for him to nail down a starting place.

 

[hanworthbee]

Should have started anyway but will next week now

 

[badgerbee]

Thought he did OK when he came on. But at fault/gave the ball away that lead to the equaliser? Looked like the easier/better ball was wide to Schade.
Or is that harsh/am I mistaken?

 

[Gazza Bee]

Did well and nailed on to start next week alongside Jenson and Damsgaard which doesn't weaken us particularly and might be a good set up to play through Hull

 

[jonny c]

He will be the beneficiary of the Yarmo and Janelt bans, my money is on him cementing his place in the first 11. Love his energy, hounds the opposition in possession and some great touches too.

 

[ABEEE]

Yeah, to follow on with what people have said, he should with his ceiling nail on a starting place with VJ and YY out now. I would be surprised if he didn’t.

 

[Untouchable]

Yeah, to follow on with what people have said, he should with his ceiling nail on a starting place with VJ and YY out now. I would be surprised if he didn’t.

Sangare, Mathi, Dams, Schade, Dango and Igor to go all out attack against Hull who were by all accounts toilet against the river rats today.

 

[Ashford Bees]

Did well and nailed on to start next week alongside Jenson and Damsgaard which doesn't weaken us particularly and might be a good set up to play through Hull

this excites me immensely

 

[badgerbee]

Thought he did OK when he came on. But at fault/gave the ball away that lead to the equaliser? Looked like the easier/better ball was wide to Schade.
Or is that harsh/am I mistaken?

Stand by this having watched MotD highlights....

 

[ABEEE]

Sangare, Mathi, Dams, Schade, Dango and Igor to go all out attack against Hull who were by all accounts toilet against the river rats today.

Our depth is just brilliant

 

[Old B]

Some very simple passes and then the beauty to Anthony, very nice for a young lad still getting up to speed.

 

[Romt2]

Thought he did OK when he came on. But at fault/gave the ball away that lead to the equaliser? Looked like the easier/better ball was wide to Schade.
Or is that harsh/am I mistaken?

That was my view of it from the east stand too, seemed to be the obvious pass

 

[Bigbee]

Its probably just me being useless , but Ive not seen the same impact since Spuds ? They were bad though

 

[nick logan]

Thought he was decent yesterday imho

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

Thought he was decent yesterday imho

Thought he played well too and some very intelligent passing. Playing slightly passive though in my opinion.

 

[TOXIC BEE]

Don’t think anyone was amazing yesterday but he was absolutely among the bunch that had a good game

 

[alexcavell]

Its probably just me being useless , but Ive not seen the same impact since Spuds ? They were bad though

He's come from being one of the best in his position in France and would have been full of confidence when he joined us. Our system and the Premier League likely demands far more of him than he is accustomed to, which has caused an understandable dip. We saw similar with Onyeka - the player against Arsenal on the opening day was completely different from the one in our Turf Moor capitulation a couple of months later.

There was probably an overreaction to Sangare's performances in pre-season and against Spurs in terms of what he was likely to be able to do consistently right now, but it's a glimpse into the star player that I'm confident he'll be in the coming months, once he's adjusted and adapted. Sangare has certainly got all the necessary parts to his game (which Onyeka by comparison never showed).

 

[LongLostBee]

Thought he played well too and some very intelligent passing. Playing slightly passive though in my opinion.

The quality of his passing was great. In terms of weighting and accuracy.
Really didn't impact the game anywhere near enough with his own movement with/without the ball though.
Looks strangely unconfident or he's been told to sit deeper and it's not getting the best out of him. It's strange.

 

[Pixelator]

I thought he looked pretty anonymous until Hickey went off, and from that point on he ran the show.

I can't remember how Sangaré and Janelt lined up against Spurs, but maybe he needs to be at the base of the midfield to shine in the Premier League. Or maybe he just needs more time next to Hickey.

 

[VitaminBee]

Its probably just me being useless , but Ive not seen the same impact since Spuds ? They were bad though

I don't think that's because his performance levels have been any worse, more like Spuds were just such horsesh*t that Sangare looked like he had joined in with a bunch of kids having a kick about in their local park. Plus the added motivation of being desperate to impress on his debut.

I'd actually argue that his performance against Leeds was of a higher quality than against Spuds, but it was against competent oppo rather than the wannabe's that turned up at the GTech on the opening day.

 

[Jakalo]

I thought he looked pretty anonymous until Hickey went off, and from that point on he ran the show.

I can't remember how Sangaré and Janelt lined up against Spurs, but maybe he needs to be at the base of the midfield to shine in the Premier League. Or maybe he just needs more time next to Hickey.

Agree with much of this, and also attribute it to Damsgaard coming on who found the pockets of space in-between lines where Sangaré could find him in.

 

[jlove]

At Hull, we were playing with Hickey and Sangaré in the holding positions. Neither, for different reasons, are 'organisers' like Janelt, which was one of the missing components in the team on the day.

 

[stomalomalus]

I think he suffers from the same malaise that others have been suffering with...the constant need to move the ball quickly, and then making the wrong choice of pass because of that.

It feels like a very purposeful tactic, but as of yet, the players are not able to consistently produce. Whether they will be able to is up to the coaches and what they see on the day to day, but if it does come off, we'd be pretty unstoppable, imo.

Right now, though, Sangare is passing too often into opposition players or into spaces where he thinks one of ours should be (often Dango, not necessarily shade on him).

That'll come right, but we need a little patience and to play some bigger teams who don't cheat their way to 3 points.

 

[Invipai]

The good thing about him being with us is that there won't be instant pressure on him to deliver. And I think we're seeing the benefit of that.

He clearly could go on to be our best player but seems to be very much in the 'adapting' phase. No worries on him at all on my end and I think come March he could be a really important player.

 

[maddogging]

He was head and shoulders above any other player on the pitch for me

 

[mundee4england]

His knack for being where the ball is is insane, in FPL terms he had 20 DEFCON yesterday which is massive! On top of that his forward passes are so quick and aggressive it really sets us up to open teams up with our pacey attack.

There is obviously something Keith feels needs a bit more work but to me his impact is/will be huge.

 

[TadB]

I think he suffers from the same malaise that others have been suffering with...the constant need to move the ball quickly, and then making the wrong choice of pass because of that.

It feels like a very purposeful tactic, but as of yet, the players are not able to consistently produce. Whether they will be able to is up to the coaches and what they see on the day to day, but if it does come off, we'd be pretty unstoppable, imo.

Right now, though, Sangare is passing too often into opposition players or into spaces where he thinks one of ours should be (often Dango, not necessarily shade on him).

That'll come right, but we need a little patience and to play some bigger teams who don't cheat their way to 3 points.

“Some bigger teams who don’t cheat their way to 3 points” . Like Liverpool I suppose you mean.

 

[Mick.C]

He needs a Jensen or Damsgaard 10 yards in front of him just and he plays with the shackles off.

No criticism of Yarmo or Janelt, or even Hickey yesterday but he looks for a Jensen or Dams and they have the intelligence to read Sangare pass and move style and move into space on the half turn.

It a case of finding formations and matches and that comes with time. MS just clicks better at the moment with the two Danes.

A nice work in progress, we have the special sauce in midfield here, the key to the next level, Keith is right;y taking his time for him to find his most effective starting three in the middle.

 

[djheavens]

Thought he was decent yesterday imho

Thought he started well but was
then pretty loose in possession. Plenty room for improvement ..

 

[cliffbee]

I believe our best midfield when it shakes down will be Janelt, Sangare, Damsgaard. With everyone fit, that leaves two very good players on the bench in Jensen and Yarmoliuk. I wouldn't say the three I named are necessarily the three best players but it's all about finding the right ingredients for the perfect 'sauce', and I think that is it.

 

[Jago16]

He was head and shoulders above any other player on the pitch for me

Yes. Thank god he was playing

 

[brentford born & bred]

He was head and shoulders above any other player on the pitch for me

Yes as confirmed by the match stats taken from Brentford FC website.

The Mali international had more touches (99), completed more passes (81) and won more tackles (6) than any Brentford player. His ability to snap into challenges has helped him climb to third in the Premier League for tackles won, despite five of his eight appearances this season coming from the bench.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Yes as confirmed by the match stats taken from Brentford FC website.

The Mali international had more touches (99), completed more passes (81) and won more tackles (6) than any Brentford player. His ability to snap into challenges has helped him climb to third in the Premier League for tackles won, despite five of his eight appearances this season coming from the bench.

That last statistic is amazing. You wouldn't really know it from watching him. He's going to get better as well, I think he is still some way from being up to speed.

 

[guilly]

At Hull, we were playing with Hickey and Sangaré in the holding positions. Neither, for different reasons, are 'organisers' like Janelt, which was one of the missing components in the team on the day.

Were we? I had the impression that it was a more traditional 4-3-3, with one CDM and two box-to-box.
I don't recall many defensive contributions from Sangaré until Hickey went out, that's when he went into beast mode and started winning the ball a lot.
He definitely has the appetite for that risky pass, which is a double edge sword

 

[BFC1997]

He passes to an opponent a bit too often at the moment.

 

[alexcavell]

He passes to an opponent a bit too often at the moment.

Yes, it's a noticeable difference about the Premier League compared with the Championship about how turnovers of possession - anywhere on the pitch - are so crucial to avoid, because you either get punished or don't see the ball for several minutes.

 

[ziggys_human]

i wanna see more of the performance we saw against tottingham, which had us and the tv anal cysts creaming

have we seen it since? kinda, but not really

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Worrying predictive text.

 

[LongLostBee]

Worrying predictive text.

I think a lot of people would say it's an accurate description of Carragher & Neville....

(personally I don't mind them)

 

[Gee Bee]

i wanna see more of the performance we saw against tottingham, which had us and the tv anal cysts creaming

have we seen it since? kinda, but not really

Are you Ossie Ardiles?

 

[maddogging]

He passes to an opponent a bit too often at the moment.

I keep reading this, we need to be careful of what we want from our footballers, the amount of progressive passes he makes will increase the chances of turnovers, do you want that, or do you want another player just knocking it side to side to side to side to side. I am never going to criticise him for trying to constantly move us forwards

 

[ziggys_human]

Worrying predictive text.

i corrected auto correct from 'correcting' it to analysts

 

[jlove]

Were we? I had the impression that it was a more traditional 4-3-3, with one CDM and two box-to-box.
I don't recall many defensive contributions from Sangaré until Hickey went out, that's when he went into beast mode and started winning the ball a lot.
He definitely has the appetite for that risky pass, which is a double edge sword

It's semantics but we've not really used a 4-3-3 even during Frank's later seasons. 4-2-3-1 (or any other nominal formation) doesn't mean you stick to it religiously and, certainly, one of the holding pair can roam forward knowing one will stay back. Lewis-Potter is free to roam anywhere but still the left holding player will drop wider to cover his adventures but that should mean the player to his right will cover centrally... Keith likes chaos!

 

[LongLostBee]

He passes to an opponent a bit too often at the moment.

He lost possession 3 times.

Lewis Potter lost it 3 times.
Outarra lost it 4 times.
Jensen lost it 5 times.
Schade lost it 5 times.
Thiago lost it 7 times.

His pass success rate was 85% which was higher than Thiago, Jensen, Outarra, Jensen, Schade, and Lewis-Potter.

He also made 81 passes. Compared with....
8 for Schade, 19 for Thiago, 21 for Outarra, 34 for Lewis-Potter, 35 for Kayode, 40 for Hickey and Jensen.

I remember one noticeably wonkly pass from him but otherwise I think these stats show he was one of our top performers passing-wise.

Where I think Sangáre was weak was his movement, with&without the ball, and that was a shadow of his initial performances for us.

 

[guilly]

It's semantics but we've not really used a 4-3-3 even during Frank's later seasons. 4-2-3-1 (or any other nominal formation) doesn't mean you stick to it religiously and, certainly, one of the holding pair can roam forward knowing one will stay back. Lewis-Potter is free to roam anywhere but still the left holding player will drop wider to cover his adventures but that should mean the player to his right will cover centrally... Keith likes chaos!

Yes, I know it's semantics, and that changes with the game, but if one of the holding pair roams and moves around everywhere, do you still consider a holding pair? As I said, I have the impression Sangaré was not so focused on the holding part during the first half at least. And Hickey was normally taking the central spot.
Anyway, it could be just random impressions from specific samples

I agree Keith like chaos, with it's goods and bads

 

[Beecareful]

At Hull, we were playing with Hickey and Sangaré in the holding positions. Neither, for different reasons, are 'organisers' like Janelt, which was one of the missing components in the team on the day.

Spot on.

 

[PGH_Bee]

Sangare simply must start. I understand wanting to bed him in more slowly, and I am a big fan of Jensen and Yarmoliuk... but I think he's clearly a class above both of them and easily one of our top two midfielders along with Damsgaard.

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

Neat, tidy and some useful tackles. However, Mamadou is definitely struggling with the pace of the PL and his positioning.