Caoimhín Kelleher

[North London Bee]

Raya did it v Leeds too and ended up taking Raphinho down for a penalty

 

[LongLostBee]

Yes, I don't doubt this. It wasn't great conditions, especially first half with the wind in our face. But this tactic has no safety net. You short a pass to KLP out wide there's some chance of cover recovery. Not with this pass. If you know they're pressing don't do it - this is what they're goading you into attempting!

I don't disagree with you. I'm not a fan of it personally.
I think this case highlights that Hickey and Kelleher might have technically made no mistake (and been done by the pitch) but you can then argue this is yet another example of why you shouldn't risk the pass even when confident and competent!

 

[brentford born & bred]

If even Raya and Arsenal are getting "caught out on many occasions", what are we doing? It strikes me as the sort of Pep-inspired suicide that cost Southampton their place in the PL. Let's say it costs us 5 goals and 5 points in a 38 game season (two points so far have been lost you could argue). That's probably the difference between 6th and 12th this year.

Please don't use Russell Martin as a reason why we shouldn't play out from the back, his tactics were ridiculous in that he encouraged his keeper to play the ball to players tightly marked on the edge of the area and refused to adapt.
The reason we do it is because we have Premier League quality players, comfortable in possession who are well coached, plus our last 3 permanent keepers have been excellent with the ball at their feet and their distribution. Yes there is a risk, particularly if the keeper makes a poor decision, but the benefits of retaining possession far out way those risks as opposed to a long ball that has a 50/50 chance of being won. KA is on record for criticising the Irish national team for lack of build up play and for going long to often under Martin O'Neill.
Your rationale for our how many points are lost, losing possession in our defensive third would only be valid if the advantages of retaining possession were also analysed and how many points that has won.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Yes, I don't doubt this. It wasn't great conditions, especially first half with the wind in our face. But this tactic has no safety net. You short a pass to KLP out wide there's some chance of cover recovery. Not with this pass. If you know they're pressing don't do it - this is what they're goading you into attempting!

And in answer to boatmonkey above: none. Not one goal has come directly due to passing to an under pressure midfielder at the 18 facing his own goal.

Of course it hasn't led directly but I assure you that indirectly it has.

 

[badgerbee]

Yes, I don't doubt this. It wasn't great conditions, especially first half with the wind in our face. But this tactic has no safety net. You short a pass to KLP out wide there's some chance of cover recovery. Not with this pass. If you know they're pressing don't do it - this is what they're goading you into attempting!

And in answer to boatmonkey above: none. Not one goal has come directly due to passing to an under pressure midfielder at the 18 facing his own goal.

Taking the liberty of replying on behalf of @boatmonkey I think the question was to do with how many goals have we scored as a result of playing out this way?
Which admittedly isn't as easily identified as conceding goals by playing this way. But it's the way we play.
And I'd argue that our record in the PL is a pretty good indicator that, in general, this way of playing, works.

 

[Boston Bee]

Taking the liberty of replying on behalf of @boatmonkey I think the question was to do with how many goals have we scored as a result of playing out this way?
Which admittedly isn't as easily identified as conceding goals by playing this way. But it's the way we play.
And I'd argue that our record in the PL is a pretty good indicator that, in general, this way of playing, works.

Generally speaking two things are true: 1. You're right, what we do has been wonderful and successful, and 2. Brentford generally and KA specifically doesn't need any advise from me!

I'm going to stop whittering on about this now. To everyone's relief.

 

[Freebee]

It's pretty simple.

We know it's risk/reward and we do it all the time with barely a blip.What you don't do is do it in sh*tty weather with the wind blowing hard at you and even then only to a seasoned DM who's used to it,not someone who's stepping in there for the first time.

 

[Mikey Bee]

I don't think I fully appreciated it at the time but what a pass to Dango for our first goal yesterday!