Final Score Brighton 2 Brentford 0 (13 Viewers)

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

I've been writing on The Griffin Park Grapevine for over 26 years, and don't need you lecturing me about thick and thin. I've done more than my share of thin.
You throw on a center back for a forward when we're down two goals to make sure 2-0 doesn't become 8-0, I get it. If KA has told them he was behind them and asked them to be brave, I'd have stuck with it. But what he said at half was let's get this over with and get out of here. Again, I get it. But I didn't have to watch it.
Do not lecture me about my support.

Support or go home.
It’s easy.
Throwing your dolly out the pram and then telling everyone ‘I’m throwing my dolly out the pram’ achieves nothing.

 

[VML87]

Yep. And since clubs have ongoing dialogue with ProRef I hope that MB and/or PG are raising with Howard Webb the volume of dark arts sh*thousery and have been given assurances it will be dealt with.

I do think we lack a leader that gets in the ref’s ear and gives some back. It’s been around for years, we do seem sometimes a little naive

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I do think we lack a leader that gets in the ref’s ear and gives some back. It’s been around for years, we do seem sometimes a little naive

Vitaly has been told not to, he got booked all the time.

 

[Terrace Weeding]

Our journey to the premier league has been wonderful but as each season rolls by I find myself becoming totally disillusioned with it all, crap var, inconsistent reffing, tinkering with the offside and what constitutes with interference, pathetic gamesmanship and now some of our fans saying we should behave the same, if we do then I think that this will be my last season after 65 years, perhaps I'll watch Hanwell.

 

[VML87]

Vitaly has been told not to, he got booked all the time.

I think we miss a Jansson type of captain

 

[North London Bee]

Vitaly has been told not to, he got booked all the time.

Collins was doing it in the second half today but more subtly

 

[larrysigny]

Some fight shown in the 2nd half at least, although I think Brighton had their foot off the gas and were never really in trouble.

Maybe we shouldn't read too much into an away defeat against a team I'd expect to be top 5. But we do seriously need to sort out our discipline, don't give refs the decisions to make.

If you remember, the ref DID make a decision - yellow card for both players and a free kick to us. It only turned red for Igor when VAR suggested it. And VAR doesn't necessarily look at the events leading up to an incident.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Collins was doing it in the second half today but more subtly

And then you watch Bruno throwing his arms at the ref and chasing after him at every opportunity

 

[aawharris]

I do think we lack a leader that gets in the ref’s ear and gives some back. It’s been around for years, we do seem sometimes a little naive

We had one the last few weeks and he just got booked every time he got in the refs ear.
Unfortunately his name is Janelt, not Van Dijk or McGinn

 

[Guildford Bee]

Collins was doing it in the second half today but more subtly

Yes, Collins seems to be able to stay on the right side of the line in that respect.

 

[addlestone bee]

Was hoping to nick something here today against a very good side. Coming away and with time to think I think the disappointing thing is that for the second time in recent games we didn’t give ourselves that chance. We still have a great squad, play exciting football and are developing as a club. Wouldn’t swap it for the old league 1/2 days (even though the rose tinted glasses sometimes raise a question or two). We will learn from these setbacks and there will be plenty more good times this season to enjoy. Someone said last week we are one or two seasons behind Brighton at the moment and that’s probably not far from true. The structure is there, the team are there but we just have some learning to do to be consistently good and move into European places.

 

[Untouchable]

Someone said last week we are one or two seasons behind Brighton at the moment

Not forgetting that BHA have had 4 more seasons in the PL than we have.

In those 4 seasons they finished 15th (twice), 16th and 17th. We’ve achieved more in our first 5 PL seasons than Brighton did and I expect by our 10th PL seasons, we’ll be ahead of where BHA are now.

 

[Argus]

Hard to not look at Brighton with envy at the moment. Bournemouth also hadn't won a league game four weeks ago, now they're above us. They both play twice a week. Somehow we're still perceived from the outside as "doing an unbelievable job", but we've generally been pretty poor since the first half vs Leeds, barring the second half vs Chelsea where everything seemed to click.
This game was always gonna be tough, but I'm getting worried about the patterns I'm seeing. We start out pretty well most games, often we actually look the better team, but the minute something goes wrong we just collapse. Opponent scores, 5 minutes after they could have had 3 more. Or we lash out in frustration, which other clubs clearly know they can bait us into, and lose all discipline. This game it was both. There's a lack of leadership, our captain doesn't start for us and when he does play, not much improves on that front. As I've said before, we have one of the best Plan A's in the league and absolutely no plan B. We clearly have the talent. Hope we can sort out the mental game

 

[IslandBee]

DLDWL - throw in the Sunderland loss and the fact that we could easily have lost the Forest game (ie we did on xGs) and it is clear we are on a pretty bad run.

Everton on Monday 23rd is beginning to feel very important for how our season will pan out.

I am hoping for a period of calm reflection by KA and team during the international break on how we can get the best out of (on paper) our most talented squad in my lifetime.

 

[Greybeard]

I do think we lack a leader that gets in the ref’s ear and gives some back. It’s been around for years, we do seem sometimes a little naive

Moaning at the ref isn't leadership.

 

[mhead bee]

I probably agree that’s a case of joining them if you can’t beat them but listening to KAs post match interview, he obviously doesn’t want us to do this.

Which leaves us in a difficult position.

I thought he said everything so utterly perfectly, he summed my mood up and from where I am sitting got the mood of the room spot on too. Rather than playing the victim Warnock style, he made his point without digging any player and without any sour grapes. We need more of this and it needs to be loud until the pundits join in and the powers that be see it as an issue that needs fixing.


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[mhead bee]

Moaning at the ref isn't leadership.

It does help, you see players like McGinn and others managing the game, our problem is the name of our club, we question the ref and the card comes out.

 

[mhead bee]

I do think we lack a leader that gets in the ref’s ear and gives some back. It’s been around for years, we do seem sometimes a little naive

It is exactly what Janelt has been doing all season, all he gets is yellow and red cards for doing it. I don’t know what else he can do. He talks to the ref and our fans slag him off for getting cheap yellows

You can’t have it both ways.

 

[mhead bee]

DLDWL - throw in the Sunderland loss and the fact that we could easily have lost the Forest game (ie we did on xGs) and it is clear we are on a pretty bad run.

Everton on Monday 23rd is beginning to feel very important for how our season will pan out.

I am hoping for a period of calm reflection by KA and team during the international break on how we can get the best out of (on paper) our most talented squad in my lifetime.

We could have lost the Forest game?

We could have won the Liverpool, Hull and Sunderland game had a few of chances gone in, would we call that a good run of form?

 

[upnorthbee]

There's so much to talk about from that.

Before I say anything at all about the game, I want to mention just how fed up I am of what Football has become. The absolute pathetic antics we see now every single week, from either ourselves or the opposition is starting to get really tiring. I find myself getting more embarrassed each week watching fully grown men act like absolute tarts and diva's, and i'm not an old man in his 80s, basically for my entire life the premier league has been around... but it feels like this season we've hit an absolute low in terms of players diving around, trying to get others sent off, faking injuries etc. It seems to get worse every season, I really don't want to full out of love with the game, but it's testing me. It's not just about Football anymore, since multi billionaires have bought the league, there's too much money in it to not try and gain every advantage by cheating, players, managers etc have sold their morals to get an edge in a game. We used to blame the foreign players, now it's absolutely everyone, makes me sick.

Anyway, we know what the game is don't we, yet our petulant players with a total lack of discipline rise to it. Schade last season, Yarmo the other day, Thiago today and nearly Schade again today. We know players are deliberately looking to get our players sent off (btw it's not just us, its every team in the league so let's not be victims), yet we totally fall for it. KA, we're lacking discipline sort it out.

The game itself:

- In hindsight, it was the wrong formation, we were too deep and lacked anything going forward (even with 11)
- Brighton's press was electric, put us on the back foot from the off, Ajer's booking set the tone
- Worldie goal, Kayode mistake leading up to that but 99/100 that doesn't go in. Is what it is
- The modern game takes over, some little sh*t got in Thiago's face (clearly advised to), get's pushed away, gets caught in the face , can't believe his luck that Thiago actually took the bait and mission accomplished (absolutely coached to do this). It's game over already.
- KLP shows two pieces of poor defending in 1 minute, didn't need to go for the corner, didn't need to hold his shirt. Was it soft? yes, is it a penalty in modern football? yes.
- Begins the one sided beatdown of a team not getting out of 1st gear. We're lucky Brighton weren't a bit more thirsty, we were absolutely there for the taking, I was fearing 4 or 5-0
- Second half, fair play to the lads they dug in and prevented a thrashing, but the game was gone. I thought we'd lose before a ball was kicked, but this was just depressing. I absolutely hate that ground.
- Nice effort from Wilson and Diouff when they came on, game us something

Thiago now wont play for about a month, what a bad time to get sent off. Honestly, I don't think he meant it but yet again.... don't rise to it. Some silly posts I saw saying "we wont miss him". We'll massively, massively miss him.... and for such tough opponents too.

We find ourselves 8th in the table. We've looked poor in the majority of games this season, and when KA said that the forest performance was the best of the season I cringed, I thought it was a tough watch, albeit it a great result.

Leeds 2nd half, Sunderland, Liverpool, Hull, Sunderland B team, Forest, Brighton... I think we've seen us play poorly and within ourselves 7 times this season and we've played well 3 or 4 times. Even Chelsea first half we got let off. The issue is, we're in the toughest league in the world with one of the lowest budgets, so technically we can't complain at all, but our squad is pretty decent now and I'd love to see us play a bit of Football.

I can't stand losing before the international break.... but that one was particularly horrible viewing from start to finish. It's not Brighton's fault they've mastered the modern game, it's our fault for not doing so ourselves.

We have some really tough fixtures coming up, without Thiago we have no outlet. It's gonna be super tough, but I trust KA to figure it out. A reminder to myself, we're 8th in the premier league.

 

[TorbayBee]

We have played Bournemouth , Leeds , Brighton and Villa away (and gone to a combative Hull team). These are all tough places to go and we have lost once. We lost to Liverpool in a game we were clearly going to win until we did something silly. We have truly under performed in one game v Sunderland ( and gave away a silly penalty).We have 14 points , a third of the way to target 1 .
All this has been achieved whilst just misfiring a bit. It will fall into place. Bournemouth could not buy a win a while ago and look at them now. As for the over achieving Seagulls last season they came to us with their crowd calling for the Manager to go. They scored against us and were singing ‘we’ve scored a goal Ole Ole’. It will be fine and the sun will shine on us again.
No need for all the doom and gloom

 

[TadB]

Andrews is very inexperienced. A good man manager and some admirable qualities. I like his loyalty, fairness and honesty. But tactically he is miles off. He will learn and in years to come perhaps he will be the real thing. But right now he's on a learning curve. We should be patient.

On a learning curve, be patient! That does not inspire confidence, especially with such an experienced deputy, or is he part of the problem! The Premier League is not the place to learn, it is an unforgiving place, and a living graveyard of managers who were not quite up to it.

 

[jbee]

DLDWL - throw in the Sunderland loss and the fact that we could easily have lost the Forest game (ie we did on xGs) and it is clear we are on a pretty bad run.

Everton on Monday 23rd is beginning to feel very important for how our season will pan out.

I am hoping for a period of calm reflection by KA and team during the international break on how we can get the best out of (on paper) our most talented squad in my lifetime.

Is it? A few years back we had Wissa, Toney, Mbeumo, Raya, Norgaard, peak Pinnock.

 

[TadB]

There's so much to talk about from that.

Before I say anything at all about the game, I want to mention just how fed up I am of what Football has become. The absolute pathetic antics we see now every single week, from either ourselves or the opposition is starting to get really tiring. I find myself getting more embarrassed each week watching fully grown men act like absolute tarts and diva's, and i'm not an old man in his 80s, basically for my entire life the premier league has been around... but it feels like this season we've hit an absolute low in terms of players diving around, trying to get others sent off, faking injuries etc. It seems to get worse every season, I really don't want to full out of love with the game, but it's testing me. It's not just about Football anymore, since multi billionaires have bought the league, there's too much money in it to not try and gain every advantage by cheating, players, managers etc have sold their morals to get an edge in a game. We used to blame the foreign players, now it's absolutely everyone, makes me sick.

Anyway, we know what the game is don't we, yet our petulant players with a total lack of discipline rise to it. Schade last season, Yarmo the other day, Thiago today and nearly Schade again today. We know players are deliberately looking to get our players sent off (btw it's not just us, its every team in the league so let's not be victims), yet we totally fall for it. KA, we're lacking discipline sort it out.

The game itself:

- In hindsight, it was the wrong formation, we were too deep and lacked anything going forward (even with 11)
- Brighton's press was electric, put us on the back foot from the off, Ajer's booking set the tone
- Worldie goal, Kayode mistake leading up to that but 99/100 that doesn't go in. Is what it is
- The modern game takes over, some little sh*t got in Thiago's face (clearly advised to), get's pushed away, gets caught in the face , can't believe his luck that Thiago actually took the bait and mission accomplished (absolutely coached to do this). It's game over already.
- KLP shows two pieces of poor defending in 1 minute, didn't need to go for the corner, didn't need to hold his shirt. Was it soft? yes, is it a penalty in modern football? yes.
- Begins the one sided beatdown of a team not getting out of 1st gear. We're lucky Brighton weren't a bit more thirsty, we were absolutely there for the taking, I was fearing 4 or 5-0
- Second half, fair play to the lads they dug in and prevented a thrashing, but the game was gone. I thought we'd lose before a ball was kicked, but this was just depressing. I absolutely hate that ground.
- Nice effort from Wilson and Diouff when they came on, game us something

Thiago now wont play for about a month, what a bad time to get sent off. Honestly, I don't think he meant it but yet again.... don't rise to it. Some silly posts I saw saying "we wont miss him". We'll massively, massively miss him.... and for such tough opponents too.

We find ourselves 8th in the table. We've looked poor in the majority of games this season, and when KA said that the forest performance was the best of the season I cringed, I thought it was a tough watch, albeit it a great result.

Leeds 2nd half, Sunderland, Liverpool, Hull, Sunderland B team, Forest, Brighton... I think we've seen us play poorly and within ourselves 7 times this season and we've played well 3 or 4 times. Even Chelsea first half we got let off. The issue is, we're in the toughest league in the world with one of the lowest budgets, so technically we can't complain at all, but our squad is pretty decent now and I'd love to see us play a bit of Football.

I can't stand losing before the international break.... but that one was particularly horrible viewing from start to finish. It's not Brighton's fault they've mastered the modern game, it's our fault for not doing so ourselves.

We have some really tough fixtures coming up, without Thiago we have no outlet. It's gonna be super tough, but I trust KA to figure it out. A reminder to myself, we're 8th in the premier league.

As usual a well written balanced post. I did not agree with everything but balanced it was. Only comment : we may be eighth but looking in the other direction we are only few points away from the relegation places.

 

[upnorthbee]

As usual a well written balanced post. I did not agree with everything but balanced it was. Only comment : we may be eighth but looking in the other direction we are only few points away from the relegation places.

Tbh TadB I write these posts as a form of therapy I think, feels like the only way I can get all the emotion from a game out in one. Appreciate the acknowledgement!

I don't think we're in any threat of a relegation fight personally, but I'm not enjoying the performances as much as I once was. Knowing us, we'll lose to Everton and then beat Man Utd, Arsenal and City before losing again to Fulham.

 

[mhead bee]

There's so much to talk about from that.

Before I say anything at all about the game, I want to mention just how fed up I am of what Football has become. The absolute pathetic antics we see now every single week, from either ourselves or the opposition is starting to get really tiring. I find myself getting more embarrassed each week watching fully grown men act like absolute tarts and diva's, and i'm not an old man in his 80s, basically for my entire life the premier league has been around... but it feels like this season we've hit an absolute low in terms of players diving around, trying to get others sent off, faking injuries etc. It seems to get worse every season, I really don't want to full out of love with the game, but it's testing me. It's not just about Football anymore, since multi billionaires have bought the league, there's too much money in it to not try and gain every advantage by cheating, players, managers etc have sold their morals to get an edge in a game. We used to blame the foreign players, now it's absolutely everyone, makes me sick.

Anyway, we know what the game is don't we, yet our petulant players with a total lack of discipline rise to it. Schade last season, Yarmo the other day, Thiago today and nearly Schade again today. We know players are deliberately looking to get our players sent off (btw it's not just us, its every team in the league so let's not be victims), yet we totally fall for it. KA, we're lacking discipline sort it out.

The game itself:

- In hindsight, it was the wrong formation, we were too deep and lacked anything going forward (even with 11)
- Brighton's press was electric, put us on the back foot from the off, Ajer's booking set the tone
- Worldie goal, Kayode mistake leading up to that but 99/100 that doesn't go in. Is what it is
- The modern game takes over, some little sh*t got in Thiago's face (clearly advised to), get's pushed away, gets caught in the face , can't believe his luck that Thiago actually took the bait and mission accomplished (absolutely coached to do this). It's game over already.
- KLP shows two pieces of poor defending in 1 minute, didn't need to go for the corner, didn't need to hold his shirt. Was it soft? yes, is it a penalty in modern football? yes.
- Begins the one sided beatdown of a team not getting out of 1st gear. We're lucky Brighton weren't a bit more thirsty, we were absolutely there for the taking, I was fearing 4 or 5-0
- Second half, fair play to the lads they dug in and prevented a thrashing, but the game was gone. I thought we'd lose before a ball was kicked, but this was just depressing. I absolutely hate that ground.
- Nice effort from Wilson and Diouff when they came on, game us something

Thiago now wont play for about a month, what a bad time to get sent off. Honestly, I don't think he meant it but yet again.... don't rise to it. Some silly posts I saw saying "we wont miss him". We'll massively, massively miss him.... and for such tough opponents too.

We find ourselves 8th in the table. We've looked poor in the majority of games this season, and when KA said that the forest performance was the best of the season I cringed, I thought it was a tough watch, albeit it a great result.

Leeds 2nd half, Sunderland, Liverpool, Hull, Sunderland B team, Forest, Brighton... I think we've seen us play poorly and within ourselves 7 times this season and we've played well 3 or 4 times. Even Chelsea first half we got let off. The issue is, we're in the toughest league in the world with one of the lowest budgets, so technically we can't complain at all, but our squad is pretty decent now and I'd love to see us play a bit of Football.

I can't stand losing before the international break.... but that one was particularly horrible viewing from start to finish. It's not Brighton's fault they've mastered the modern game, it's our fault for not doing so ourselves.

We have some really tough fixtures coming up, without Thiago we have no outlet. It's gonna be super tough, but I trust KA to figure it out. A reminder to myself, we're 8th in the premier league.

Did you start writing that at the final whistle

Agree with a lot of it, some bits I don’t, but it would take too long to answer everything.

Rather than constantly f***ing about with what is a handball or an offside and doing that ridiculously inconsistent 5 count on throw ins, I would rather they dealt with the McGinn flop dive and ridiculous antagonise then collapse holding your face thing. These are the two things that are really ruining foot ball.

 

[mhead bee]

As usual a well written balanced post. I did not agree with everything but balanced it was. Only comment : we may be eighth but looking in the other direction we are only few points away from the relegation places.

We are not in a relegation fight, but all talk of European football is not realistic at this point in time. This is a brutal division packed with capable sides and we are a very good team full of very young players who will make lots of mistakes and have stinkers.

We are a year and a player or two away from seriously being European contenders, but it’s going to be another great season and days like today will happen again

I just hope a few keepers give us the gifts Muff have been getting last few games, we are overdue

 

[mhead bee]

Is it? A few years back we had Wissa, Toney, Mbeumo, Raya, Norgaard, peak Pinnock.

Peak Rico.

Today we have the strongest squad, 2 players for each position, but is it our strongest 11 so far, not yet.

Sangare is going to be worldie, but currently our midfield is a bit disjointed at times and our wingers are far too erratic. When Bryan and Wissa got the ball you expected a goal, now I hope they don’t fall over most of the time, but the bar is so high with all of them I am more excited about the next 3/4 years than just this year

 

[Carri Bee Un]

If that's violent conduct then those words have no meaning anymore. Absolute nonsense.

 

[AdeBees]

Brighton GD is 19, almost double man City. One wonder goal, and a sending off. That is life. KLP penalty was avoidable. Kelleher was as busy as I have ever seen him. Table order based on GD.

 

[Houghton Bee]

Stop moaning about the first 5 odd rows and people sitting.

How about thinking that they are fans that arent able to stand or have young kids with them.

No one has any right to expect them to stand.

Rubbish, another 2 rows of people standing would have turned that away end in to a riot of noise and passion and Brentford would have won by 3 or 4 goals like we used to every week when it was all standing.

 

[jonnamanuk]

There’s a very simple solution to the angst. In the same way medical teams running on has been slowed by a tweak to the rules.

Refs need to book players for simulation.

Overreacting is exactly that.
Sanction: Any player who attempts to deceive the referee via simulation is cautioned and shown a yellow card.

At the monitor, the ref can see the overreaction.
If Thiago gets a red. The Brighton player gets a yellow.

 

[Banana]

If Thiago gets a red. The Brighton player gets a yellow.

Which is exactly what happened.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Which is exactly what happened.

Not for simulation though.

 

[stevil]

Which is exactly what happened.

I don't think Chema got booked for simulation? More likely for the original foul/his role in the scuffle afterwards. Presumably in @jonnamanuk's suggestion, there's scope for a second yellow for his theatrics. In which case I'd be all for it..

 

[Westside]

Stupid for suggesting Damsgaard needs to play more minutes? Whys that then?

 

[Untouchable]

Stupid for suggesting Damsgaard needs to play more minutes? Whys that then?

That particular emoji means he’s agreeing with you!

 

[BEEcool]

That particular emoji means he’s agreeing with you!

 

[badgerbee]

Interesting that the "physical" Brentford team (according to Hurzeler pre-match) committed 4 less fouls than Brighton, (7 against 11), and Yellow card count was Brighton 4, Brentford 2....

 

[Westside]

Schade and Outtara in the same team seems to have worked pretty well for the last 14 months?

Sorry mate disagree.

They rank at 14-15th in League in forward / wing partnerships in league this season.

0 assists between them.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Interesting that the "physical" Brentford team (according to Hurzeler pre-match) committed 4 less fouls than Brighton, (7 against 11), and Yellow card count was Brighton 4, Brentford 2....

Hurzeler also mentioned playing a physical Brentford side in his post match comments on the BBC. What is going on?

Maybe we should start every pre match briefing by describing our opponents as physical, see how that goes down.

 

[Gee Bee]

There I totally agree with you. I just thought it was a nailed on red card given the rules as they are interpreted nowadays.

How there interpreted some games not all

 

[Paul_T]

Jonathan Pierce, Leon Osman and Dion Dublin all said on MOTD that it was never a sending off. Yet you know any appeal will be turned down. What could have been a fascinating game ruined by the incompetence and bias of the officials yet again. And now we've got no main striker for a month. Still spitting about this one.

 

[aslan]

There was atleast 2 other times in the match where a Brighton player threw themselves to the floor clutching their face. Both times Oliver instructed them up and indicated no foul. They both jumped up pretty quickly after that. This is blatant simulation in attempt to get a player sent off. The ref has even seen it as such. Yet no bookings. Until referees start punishing this sh*t it will continue to stain the game

 

[BEEcool]

Not to mention Gomez waving around an imaginary card on more than one occasion and not getting booked for it.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Jonathan Pierce, Leon Osman and Dion Dublin all said on MOTD that it was never a sending off. Yet you know any appeal will be turned down. What could have been a fascinating game ruined by the incompetence and bias of the officials yet again. And now we've got no main striker for a month. Still spitting about this one.

Interesting that a lot on Twitter - which I've always said is a haven for well balanced arguments and common sense - agree with them. "The game is gone" is a building narrative - people are getting fed up with it now.

 

[Eieieio]

I’m glad a number of pundits have now stated they feel it wasn’t a red or was harsh. Was wondering if I was being bias given the numbers on here making out it was stonewall

 

[TorbayBee]

When things are not going your way these things happen. On the plus side the discipline we showed from 23 minutes in was outstanding, Kev worked his socks off, Yarmo was great when he came on as was Collins, Brighton actually created very little all game, even before the sending off (the worldie just shows what you get when everything is going for you)
All in all just one of those days.

 

[TadB]

I'm not comfortable with the notion that a reactive arm movement from Thiago against an aggressor's action which accidentally makes contact with the face results in a worse punishment than that for the aggressor who started the whole thing. That doesn't seem like a just outcome. Let alone the fact we have to play 3 games (plus today) without Thiago now.

Contact with the face should not be judged like the ball crossing the line. It's not a black-and-white situation - there is a context to the incident that must be considered in a referee's decision, or we end up with perpertrators & cheats prospering and games being ruined.

I don't think Thiago has let us down or done anything stupid at all. He's simply tried to (and I would argue should be entitled to) defend himself in a proportionate manner, in the same way as Yarmoliuk did. If the rules say otherwise then they need to be reviewed, but there is something to be said for the consistency of refereeing too.

Good post, but in the over all context of refereeing why do these dubious key decisions keep going against Brentford. Yarmulke being the prime example. Two key decisions that disadvantage us for eight games about a fifth of the season.

 

[badgerbee]

When things are not going your way these things happen. On the plus side the discipline we showed from 23 minutes in was outstanding, Kev worked his socks off, Yarmo was great when he came on as was Collins, Brighton actually created very little all game, even before the sending off (the worldie just shows what you get when everything is going for you)
All in all just one of those days.

xG was 2.2 v 0.7
(Skewed by penalty of course: 1.3 from Open Play for Brighton.............)