Final Score Brighton 2 Brentford 0

[TorbayBee]

xG was 2.2 v 0.7
(Skewed by penalty of course: 1.3 from Open Play for Brighton.............)

And?
My eyes tell me they dominated possession and territory , no surprise against 10 men but they also told me they created few chances.

 

[Untouchable]

And?
My eyes tell me they dominated possession and territory , no surprise against 10 men but they also told me they created few chances.

I think @badgerbee was agreeing with you. Considering how free scoring Brighton have been, restricting them to 1.3. xG from open play despite having a man extra for 75 mins was an excellent showing from us.

 

[TorbayBee]

I think @badgerbee was agreeing with you. Considering how free scoring Brighton have been, restricting them to 1.3. xG from open play despite having a man extra for 75 mins was an excellent showing from us.

Ah! thank you
Sorry @badgerbee my understanding of xg is limited. It extends to liking it when it is high for us and disliking it when it is low.

 

[taxi driver]

Listening to Jonathan Pierce s MOTD2 commentary just now he would agree with you.
That wasn't the actions of a deliberate violent player. The game is full of players goading opposition into retaliation and then throwing themselves to the ground. It's out of hand.
Oliver set the tone in the first five minutes, he couldn't get his card out quick enough to Ajer could he.

Well said

The bit that sent me crazy and behaving like a child was the time he booked Their no.21.

He played on twice and should have booked both of them and then booked the player that actually forced him to stop the game.

I left because I didn't like how wound up I was and I don't know why I was so triggered yesterday.

Well done to those that stayed on the pitch and off.

I behaved like a tw*t. Sorry all.

 

[stevil]

Well said

The bit that sent me crazy and behaving like a child was the time he booked Their no.21.

He played on twice and should have booked both of them and then booked the player that actually forced him to stop the game.

I left because I didn't like how wound up I was and I don't know why I was so triggered yesterday.

Well done to those that stayed on the pitch and off.

I behaved like a tw*t. Sorry all.

I lost my sh*t too at that exact same point. Quite badly. Fair play to you for having the self-awareness to step away (I didn't).

 

[taxi driver]

I lost my sh*t too at that exact same point. Quite badly. Fair play to you for having the self-awareness to step away (I didn't).

I was less self aware in the moment

 

[Wouldbee]

Brighton are second
We don’t get much joy at the Amex
We got done by a shyt pinger
Then a ridiculous red card
End of

 

[stevil]

I was less self aware in the moment

It was one of those moments where I looked around me and saw expressions of shock/concern on the faces of my fellow Bees fans!! I don’t think I’ve been that angry at the football since Stuart Atwell (him again!) sent off Nathan Elder against Notts County.

 

[Banana]

xG was 2.2 v 0.7
(Skewed by penalty of course: 1.3 from Open Play for Brighton.............)

3.06 vs 0.6

 

[IslandBee]

Is it? A few years back we had Wissa, Toney, Mbeumo, Raya, Norgaard, peak Pinnock.

Fair enough. I think you are perhaps right in the quality of individual players, particularly the forward ones. However, in terms of depth I think we are stronger than we have ever been

 

[tinman]

Jonathan Pierce, Leon Osman and Dion Dublin all said on MOTD that it was never a sending off. Yet you know any appeal will be turned down. What could have been a fascinating game ruined by the incompetence and bias of the officials yet again. And now we've got no main striker for a month. Still spitting about this one.

What do you expect with Atwell on VAR and Oliver on the pitch a lethal combination if ever there was one. The ugly sisters, Jekyll and Hyde, Bonnie and Clyde for some sort of comparison

 

[IslandBee]

We could have lost the Forest game?

We could have won the Liverpool, Hull and Sunderland game had a few of chances gone in, would we call that a good run of form?

We might have done but given it did not happen we can't. It did not happen for good reason IMO.

If you think everything is fine, no problem. I don't.

 

[ianbee]

All the pundits are saying it was soft, the Brighton player was the aggressor and should be embarrassed the way he went down. I actually thought the Dunk challenge on Schade was worse. Left the ground and had no control. I went on to watch the following match as everyone was out, with the intention of having an afternoon nap. Watch the Man U keeper for their 4th goal. Not watching the ball. His sole intention was to push the keeper which he did. No foul.

 

[guilly]

Interesting that a lot on Twitter - which I've always said is a haven for well balanced arguments and common sense - agree with them. "The game is gone" is a building narrative - people are getting fed up with it now.

That comment is even in the BBC highlights!

 

[lanzabee]

I don’t know might be a blessing in disguise starting Wilson for the next three. I liked how he tried to do things.

Alternatively we might just recruit one of them pitch invading seagulls. At least they knew how to control the pitch and not get wind up in the first five seconds of a game

Who says we'll start with Wilson? He has zero pace. I'd prefer KS down the middle

 

[IslandBee]

There I totally agree with you. I just thought it was a nailed on red card given the rules as they are interpreted nowadays.

People can moan (and are of course entitled to) but it is a red card all day long. I saw it clearly when it happened and I was close to 100 per cent sure VAR would change it to a red.

Looking on TV, it looks slightly less bad (mainly because I don't think Thiago intended it to be quite as forceful as it was or to catch him on the chin) but everyone knows that you are highly likely to get a red for that these days.

It's all a bit of a distraction from bigger concerns IMO

 

[badgerbee]

3.06 vs 0.6

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BBC must get theirs from elsewhere I guess.

 

[Greybeard]

It does help, you see players like McGinn and others managing the game, our problem is the name of our club, we question the ref and the card comes out.

Good. Dissent should be an automatic yellow. Repeat offences red.

 

[stevil]

Good. Dissent should be an automatic yellow. Repeat offences red.

It either should or it shouldn't (and I'm inclined to agree that it should). But surely the point is that it should be the same for everyone?

 

[Banana]

BBC must get theirs from elsewhere I guess.

probably that idiot that used to work for Smartodds and wrote a book.

 

[sussexb]

I thought he said everything so utterly perfectly, he summed my mood up and from where I am sitting got the mood of the room spot on too. Rather than playing the victim Warnock style, he made his point without digging any player and without any sour grapes. We need more of this and it needs to be loud until the pundits join in and the powers that be see it as an issue that needs fixing.


View: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZN8fchFr7/

I thought he made the point well, and what he said matched what they said on the BBC - that what's happening is a game plan to goad players into reacting is being rewarded. I hate it.

 

[mhead bee]

We might have done but given it did not happen we can't. It did not happen for good reason IMO.

If you think everything is fine, no problem. I don't.

We won the Forest game, but it is being included in our "bad run of form" because we "might" have lost it. Feels like trying to make things look worse than they are for affect. We have only lost 2 all season, both when we were down to 10 because of cheating dives, that ain't a relegation battle.

 

[TorbayBee]

People can moan (and are of course entitled to) but it is a red card all day long. I saw it clearly when it happened and I was close to 100 per cent sure VAR would change it to a red.

Looking on TV, it looks slightly less bad (mainly because I don't think Thiago intended it to be quite as forceful as it was or to catch him on the chin) but everyone knows that you are highly likely to get a red for that these days.

It's all a bit of a distraction from bigger concerns IMO

Do us all a favour, give the doom and gloom a day off. Did you come on here with that crap last Saturday?

 

[Sandybee]

I think @badgerbee was agreeing with you. Considering how free scoring Brighton have been, restricting them to 1.3. xG from open play despite having a man extra for 75 mins was an excellent showing from us.

 

[mhead bee]

Good. Dissent should be an automatic yellow. Repeat offences red.

The point you are missing is Mcginn and Isak, two of the biggest divers in history can scream until their spittle is soaking the ref over and over in a game and nothing, but Janelt opens his hands and pleads with the ref in pure disbelief and frustration and he is booked. Nobody is saying desent isn't a yellow, what we are saying is, like shirt pulls, violet conduct and penalties, it should be same for all teams not just a select few.

 

[IslandBee]

We won the Forest game, but it is being included in our "bad run of form" because we "might" have lost it. Feels like trying to make things look worse than they are for affect. We have only lost 2 all season, both when we were down to 10 because of cheating dives, that ain't a relegation battle.

I didn't say it was, but in any case I am not sure the avoidance of a relegation battle was the summit of our ambitions this year.

As mentioned, it is fine if you think everything is on track and running smoothly. I am less convinced and think there is quite considerable room for improvement. Hopefully, that will start with the Everton game.

 

[ldobz]

Brighton GD is 19, almost double man City. One wonder goal, and a sending off. That is life. KLP penalty was avoidable. Kelleher was as busy as I have ever seen him. Table order based on GD.

That’s an encouraging looking table. Wonder if football be more fun (or more fair) if GD replaced points?

 

[TadB]

Time to prepare for the next fixture, no dissection will change the result, and it's not like the better team didn't win.

No dissection will change the result, however, there is urgent need to investigate who is pushing the narrative that we are a physical team. Which we are not. Is this story emanating from other clubs in general, and being swallowed hook line, and sinker by referees, or is it coming from referees HQ. In either case the team are suffering from unjust refereeing decisions. We cannot just lie back, and think of England. The club must do something, or the situation will continue.
Thiego is a very strong man, but not an inherently dirty/physical player. Janelt is a hard midfielder, but not dirty Yarmoluk is the same, the remainder of the team are pussy cats. We play very fast, mainly on the break, but are not set up to be physical. All I ask is a fair rub of the green which currently we do not get. We must find out why, then do something about it.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

Instigators need to get a red and reactors yellow or red depending on level

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Rubbish, another 2 rows of people standing would have turned that away end in to a riot of noise and passion and Brentford would have won by 3 or 4 goals like we used to every week when it was all standing.

Its just bollx mate. We really do have some numpties following us.

 

[Kingston Bee]

It either should or it shouldn't (and I'm inclined to agree that it should). But surely the point is that it should be the same for everyone?

Exactly that, whatever the rules are they are applied fairly and consistently across the board, which clearly is not happening. Hence why the debate on whether it was a red or yellow card.

 

[IslandBee]

Do us all a favour, give the doom and gloom a day off. Did you come on here with that crap last Saturday?

Doom and gloom is calling an incident as I saw it! Really?

And as for last Saturday, I suggest you look at the Keith Andrews thread.

I have been posting on her for years, sometimes more optimistically, sometimes more pessimistically, basically determined by how I see things with my own eyes at games. I happen to think we are playing significantly below our potential right now and not optimising the talent in the squad. It is allowed!

I also try to post respectfully, not insulting other posters on their views but, hey, I recognise that is not the way the world seems to work these days.

 

[mhead bee]

I didn't say it was, but in any case I am not sure the avoidance of a relegation battle was the summit of our ambitions this year.

As mentioned, it is fine if you think everything is on track and running smoothly. I am less convinced and think there is quite considerable room for improvement. Hopefully, that will start with the Everton game.

People have mentioned relegation form, it was not and certainly is not the summit of our ambitions and laughably pathetic anyone would put this team in that bracket. Where have I said it is on track and smooth, all I have ever said is we are a decent side and our ceiling is high, but IMO talk of Europe is a season away as we have young players making mistakes, but that doesn't mean we won't be able to have a good stab at it.

 

[mhead bee]

Stupid for suggesting Damsgaard needs to play more minutes? Whys that then?

Keith has been very open, loud and clear on this, Dams is carrying an injury and being managed.

 

[Debut1949]

The pundits' (and some fans' and no doubt referees') criterion for determining what decision should be made by a referee is often "I've seen them given".

Conceptually this is very problematic as incorporated in it is a ratchet effect that remorsely and logically leads on to ever more errant decisions.

Until the game gets to grips with this fundamental the entertainment that football is meant to provide to fans will continue to decline.

 

[Beelieve!]

He didn’t intend to hit the face and shouldn’t be a red card
That’s not the laws of the game but should be

 

[kaebess]

Maybe next time, Thiago fallls over like he has been shot by a sniper.....

Serouosly, i do also think teams are winding us up and we are just the fall guys....

We’re being to British, to honest. If you look at the way Liverpool players went down, we have a lot to learn.

 

[kaebess]

Imagine going every week where you're desperate to leave on 80 minutes to get ahead of the queues. Madness.

The guy a few doors down from me has not heard the final whistle at Brighton in about 3 years. He’s a season ticket holder.

 

[Poolieboydave]

Stupid for suggesting Damsgaard needs to play more minutes? Whys that then?

Sorry it wasn’t clear, I’m wholeheartedly agreeing with you that Damsgaard should start.

 

[TadB]

People can moan (and are of course entitled to) but it is a red card all day long. I saw it clearly when it happened and I was close to 100 per cent sure VAR would change it to a red.

Looking on TV, it looks slightly less bad (mainly because I don't think Thiago intended it to be quite as forceful as it was or to catch him on the chin) but everyone knows that you are highly likely to get a red for that these days.

It's all a bit of a distraction from bigger concerns IMO

OK, but what about a Red for the player who aggressively pushed his head within a few inches of Thiego face? Was it any different to Yarmulkes Red?

 

[Sandybee]

That’s an encouraging looking table. Wonder if football be more fun (or more fair) if GD replaced points?

I go back to w

 

[Baubaul]

Who says we'll start with Wilson? He has zero pace. I'd prefer KS down the middle

I prefer Wilson, his experience improved us second half.

But here is the secret they don’t want you to know:

“NONE OF US ARE THE BRENTFORD FC MANAGER”

 

[TorbayBee]

Doom and gloom is calling an incident as I saw it! Really?

And as for last Saturday, I suggest you look at the Keith Andrews thread.

I have been posting on her for years, sometimes more optimistically, sometimes more pessimistically, basically determined by how I see things with my own eyes at games. I happen to think we are playing significantly below our potential right now and not optimising the talent in the squad. It is allowed!

I also try to post respectfully, not insulting other posters on their views but, hey, I recognise that is not the way the world seems to work these days.

Sometimes one can get sick of the drip drip drip of negativity that goes on. Your posts on this game are well over the top. The Tiago incident is not cut and dried as the media debate shows, we are in the top 10 in the Premier League (yes us little Brentford) , we have lost 2 games all season and none with a full 11. But still you hint at bigger issues , say we are under performing.
Are we playing as well as we could ? probably not but that’s the swings and roundabouts of any season. Are we playing badly , absolutely not.
My suggestion is Judge this season when it’s done not after a quarter of the games .
I too have posted on here for years , I too try to be courteous but congratulations your negativity dressed up as clear thinking made me snap.

 

[ABEEE]

A worry of mine in the coming games is teams seeing they can goad us into red cards. We can all complain about how “soft” the decisions are but if we can’t keep our discipline it will be the same results.

 

[JCMcBee]

....Yet another game of football totally destroyed as a spectacle by VAR....at some point supporters of football need to make a stand re VAR..... it's detracting from and not enhancing the game of football....why oh why every week do we have to talk about VAR and refereeing decisions rather than the game itself...VAR is becoming bigger than the game itself.

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

....Yet another game of football totally destroyed as a spectacle by VAR....at some point supporters of football need to make a stand re VAR..... it's detracting from and not enhancing the game of football....why oh why every week do we have to talk about VAR and refereeing decisions rather than the game itself...VAR is becoming bigger than the game itself.

The majority of the sh*t reviewed by VAR, ESPECIALLY our last two red cards, would be no more than a quick handbags and handshake in Sunday League. Our game has been ruined.

It should be left to no more than very serious challenges with a high threshold.

 

[JCMcBee]

The majority of the sh*t reviewed by VAR, ESPECIALLY our last two red cards, would be no more than a quick handbags and handshake in Sunday League. Our game has been ruined.

It should be left to no more than very serious challenges with a high threshold.

Mate....the very fact that SKY sports introduced a programme called 'ref watch' tells you all you need to know.
....VAR and refereeing has it's own programme FFS.

 

[TadB]

....Yet another game of football totally destroyed as a spectacle by VAR....at some point supporters of football need to make a stand re VAR..... it's detracting from and not enhancing the game of football....why oh why every week do we have to talk about VAR and refereeing decisions rather than the game itself...VAR is becoming bigger than the game itself.

It is also undermining the Referee on the pitch. No doubt it is contributing to the lower standard of referees whose development is being curtailed by the knowledge that VAR will be available instead of having to rely on their own ability. Yes, they will make mistakes, but then that is all part of the game. It used to be the last rule, that the referees decision will always be correct.

 

[EastBilneyBee]

You've already been told by at least one other poster. Because we give them decisions to make and are more physical this season. We have made it even easier today with our stupidity.

Square up to someone = expect trouble.

Whilst not disagreeing with the concept of your last sentence, it was Chema who 'squared up' to Thiago, not the other way around - was the punishment of a yellow card sufficient for threateningly shoving his head at Thiago ? I don't think so

KLP shouldn't be man-marking giants at corners, whoever gives him that role needs his/her(?) head wobbling....

 

[JCMcBee]

It is also undermining the Referee on the pitch. No doubt it is contributing to the lower standard of referees whose development is being curtailed by the knowledge that VAR will be available instead of having to rely on their own ability. Yes, they will make mistakes, but then that is all part of the game. It used to be the last rule, that the referees decision will always be correct.

Oliver wasnt great yesterday... but he wasnt at fault for Thiago incident....when supporters start signing songs specifically about any referee...it tells me at least how much officiating and VAR has taken over the game..in effect they are becoming more important than the game itself.. it's getting silly.