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Willo

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Cracking night of Boxing last night with Amir Khan's impressive quick win, a surprisingly tough fight for British heavyweight champion Skelton after Danny Williams no-showed, Eastman struggling away from home and of course Jermain dethroning of the best Boxer in the world Bernard Hopkins :box:
 

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That Khan is Sheer class :bound: Very quick arms :eek: poor other man :cry: :box:
 

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In my paper they got massive picture of Amir Khan's fight. And fair play to him he is a great talent. And just a couple of lines, barely a mention of Bernard Hopkins a middleweight legend for a decade being dethroned. I think for what he has acheived in Boxing Bernard Hopkins doesnt really get the credit he is due. To sustain a place at the top in probably the hardest boxing division for so long is a great achievement.
 

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Khan is certainly looking a brighter prospect with each fight
 

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More quality Boxing tonight Jones v Tarver Part 3 :box:
 

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Anybody else catch the Skelton v Williams fight just now on ITV :box: Very good fight which is rare for a British Heavyweight ruck :sorted:
 

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The Prophet said:
Anybody else catch the Skelton v Williams fight just now on ITV :box: Very good fight which is rare for a British Heavyweight ruck :sorted:

Yep, great stuff. Made all the more entertaining by the ref allowing Skelton's "rule-bending" go on for so long.
 

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Guildford Bee said:
Yep, great stuff. Made all the more entertaining by the ref allowing Skelton's "rule-bending" go on for so long.



Is Danny Williams vs Matt Skelton the best we can get!!!!!:eek:


They are both mediocre Fighters and anyone with any class out there
could take these guys out inside three rounds.


The heavyweight scene is utter crap at the moment!!!
 

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The Prophet said:
No Arguments there but I'll leave you to tell Valuev he's crap :eek:



And we all know what will happen to Williams if he fights this Guy!!


Klitschko all over again!!!


Williams is shot and there for the taking
 

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kendo said:
And we all know what will happen to Williams if he fights this Guy!!


Klitschko all over again!!!


Williams is shot and there for the taking

Not too sure about that. Valuev is slower, more orthodox and doesn't hit as hard as Vitali.

To be honest, that match would sum up Heavyweight boxing at the moment.
 

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Deathstroke said:
Not too sure about that. Valuev is slower, more orthodox and doesn't hit as hard as Vitali.

To be honest, that match would sum up Heavyweight boxing at the moment.


Williams got done by samil san , the tyson fight was a big win
but tyson was really gone by then.


The harrison fight was dire, the only time harrison decided to hit him he had
him all over the place. The fight against skelton was eventful but it was
more down to the ability of skelton not being able to throw a clean punch
to the jaw that he didn't have williams in more trouble.

Less we forget the second fight with michael sprott....:yawn:


If he fights the ukrainian he will have early sucess with his hand speed
but once he realises he can't hurt him he will revert back into his shell.
 

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kendo said:
Is Danny Williams vs Matt Skelton the best we can get!!!!!:eek:


They are both mediocre Fighters and anyone with any class out there
could take these guys out inside three rounds.


The heavyweight scene is utter crap at the moment!!!

Not the two talented boxers granted, but they gave it they had.

Thought the decison was cack - the judge who gave it to Williams by 3 points was insane.
 

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I thought it was a great match - two boxers who aren't world beaters and won't amount to anything gave it their all in a fight where the winner was to earn their pension in the next fight.

Skelton tipped it for me, but probably justice was done as he should have had a few points taken off for his "dodgy" behaviour... that final round was amazing though, although I think the commentators got a little excited - not sure that Skelton was reeling to to honest.
 

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:imwith:

Spot on there fella. My faith in the heavyweight division was lost several years ago but that fight went some way to restoring it again.
 

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McClellan v Benn and Eubank v Watson, two of the most brutal fights I've ever seen :box: :sorted:
 

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The Prophet said:
McClellan v Benn and Eubank v Watson, two of the most brutal fights I've ever seen :box: :sorted:

Didn't both McClellan and Watson respectively end up with brain damage after those two fights ??? :scratch:
 

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:( Yes they did which just underlined how brutal those fights were
 

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Joe Calzaghe just destroyed Jeff Lacy. How did the bloke last 12 rounds. :eek: Absolutely battered him. All 3 judges gave him 119 because the ref took 1 point off for an illegal punch. Should have been stopped in the 9th.
 

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Joe Calzaghe was awesome last night. Hopefully the Yanks will now sit up and take notice of him.

:box: :box: :box: :box: :box: :box:
 

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Jimbee said:
Joe Calzaghe just destroyed Jeff Lacy. How did the bloke last 12 rounds. :eek: Absolutely battered him. All 3 judges gave him 119 because the ref took 1 point off for an illegal punch. Should have been stopped in the 9th.

Agreed. If they stopped it you may get complaints as well though. His corner could throw in the towel.

Calzaghe will now get proper respect and a big pay day in future.

Watching it again at the moment in between the adverts.
 

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Interesting article

Taken from http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/5549662


Boxing losing the battle of evolution to UFC


When Marc Ratner resigned his office and took a position with the UFC, it signaled a major death toll for the sport of boxing.

With mixed martial arts already grabbing a huge market share from boxing, the intelligent addition of Ratner as a mouthpiece to commissioners and politicians nationwide shows the dedication that UFC has to becoming the evolutionary replacement for our sport. Ratner, who is a fervent advocate for fighter safety, adds credibility to the UFC and further assists the genius business plan that someone has developed in that company.
Or perhaps all the UFC executives had to do was collect all the articles written by boxing people over the last two decades that have warned of boxing's demise if changes were not made and applied the cure to the UFC business plan. Intelligently they decided that it is better to build the business of MMA instead of any one athlete. Competitive matchups, entertaining shows, a focus on the sport similar to the NFL model instead of a focus on individual hype, joined with positive reporting.

Writers have been pointing out boxing's deficiencies for years only to be blown off by promoters as sensationalism. The difference now is that an alternative is available that excites people and absconds with our fan base. Now the UFC is successfully recruiting our most intelligent executives.

Promoters in our sport remind me of the husband that gains 50 pounds, begins giving gifts of toasters instead of diamonds, and considers a fishing trip to Montana a romantic getaway. Then when the wife takes off with her yoga instructor he cries foul and can‘t figure out what the problem was. "Wasn't my fault," he says, as he lays on the sofa with a beer in one hand and the remote in the other.

All we fans warned you for three decades now that a couple of good fights a year would not keep us happy, yet you continue to feed us with bouts like Samuel Peter versus Julius Long. What was your thinking, that you could replace quality with hype and the next thing to come along wouldn't attract our fan base?

I don't intend to pick on just one bout or event because the disease that took over boxing in the 1970s is rampant yet still curable, but everyone is waiting for someone else to do it first. When pro wrestling and martial arts took a large percentage of our audience in the '80s, promoters thought they would come back and it was business as usual.

They didn't.

The problem is that as we wait to correct our issues the competition grows stronger and we weaken ourselves.

Boxing's death certificate will read suicide, because the cure is in front of us, but like the answer to most people's problems, the solution isn't easy, often more painful than the problem. So much money is tied up in built fighters that fortunes would be lost if we changed things making the statis quo desirable.

Already our opponent pool is on the verge of extinction as every fighter that turns pro wants to be protected by someone. Never in the sport has so many belts, and so many undefeated records existed than today. Fighters in their late twenties and early thirties are entering the sport looking to stay undefeated for life.

We have gone to importing fighters from other countries that have ineffective commissions and it is only a matter of time before we see another rash of ring deaths. These countries allow fighters with a couple of dozen wins to box debut fighters and build ridiculous records and place safety at a minimum while building paper champions.

Promoters focus on churning and burning credible opponents as if another is just a day away but the truth is that less are turning pro and now another avenue exists that combative athletes can join, avoiding the sport of boxing and the bad publicity attached to it.

In our gym I have had more grapplers coming in to learn hand skills than I have had boxers coming in to go amateur or pro. Where boxing is a singularly skilled sport, the UFC can draw personnel from all combat sports. Boxing was once in schools nationwide, until its reputation ruined that pool of wealth, yet high schools furnish wrestlers to the UFC as well as judo, karate and other martial arts.

Boxing trainers can now join with a grappling coach to form another stream of income, which will build more wealth personally and further restrict dependence on local promoters. UFC knockoffs are springing up nationwide.

While promoters continue to focus on building individual fighter's records on the backs of a smaller pool of opponents, not one promoter sets aside prelims to build those opponents back wins and the commissions retire more and more fighters based on losses. Purses are beginning to grow smaller as ticket sales decrease on smaller shows.

Frankly, I have seen better fights between two .500 fighters than most of the main events in the last several years. Fighters, managers, and promoters continue to hype undefeated as a gauge for a fighters career while truthfully 80 percent of the undefeated fighters today would have been B fighters in the '30s.

We must begin to use quality of opposition as a gauge instead of wins and losses. The power to change our extinction lays only in the people in the business. It could lay in the hands of commissions who should force a boxer to face similar opposition instead of allowing undefeated versus a .500 guy but why would he or she want that headache and conflict with promoters. The same commissioner can sit back and wait until the UFC replaces us and have the same revenue, same workload, less headaches, and a sport that is popular.

Being the commissioner of a popular sport that doesn't carry the baggage of boxing has got to be a better deal. Fact is, with so short a history, MMA and the UFC doesn't have the ring deaths to turn off the tree-huggers and soccer moms.

I was shocked prior to the Chris Byrd-Wladimir Klitschko heavyweight title fight just how many boxing sites didn't post staff predictions prior to the bout. Every answer I got as to the why of that, was that the fight was so predictable that it wasn't worth the effort. That is a major symptom of the illness that inflicts our sport.

I ask all our promoters out there: Is the remedy of fixing boxing — fighting your golden boys in tough fights consistently, being more concerned rebuilding boxing, winning fans instead of losing them — such a bitter treatment, such a bitter medicine, that it is better to go extinct holding a phony title with a phony record, than to survive and thrive?

On Jan. 20 I stood at ringside next to a camera man watching as J.C. Candelo was robbed of a win against Teddy Reid when the bout was declared a draw. The camera man turned to me and said, "New year, same old crap."

When the people that make a living from this sport have such a venomous opinion of it, why do we in the business expect our fans to return, time and time again, to smoke and mirrors?
 

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Harrison v Williams 2 on now. Methinks the press conference will be more interesting than the actual fight :grey:
 

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Harrison v Williams 2 on now. Methinks the press conference will be more interesting than the actual fight :grey:

Better than you were expecting? Guess when Williams got cut he had to go for it and we got a bit of entertainment...
 

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Good night of boxing. Totally not ready for the one-sided Williams/Harrison affair. Williams is the one left trying to rescue his career now.

Amir Khan had a comprehensive win, but was made to fight to the finish and was worked hard by his opponent.
 

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Better than you were expecting? Guess when Williams got cut he had to go for it and we got a bit of entertainment...


:yes: Have to say Harrison looked impressive. It was only Danny Williams but he was clinical in finishing him off. Although I missed the Cage Rage last night night where apparently a bloke carried on fighting and won his match with a bone sticking through his arm or something :eek: Beat that Frampton.
 

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Harrison will never win a world title.He beat a danny williams who's claim to fame is beating mike tyson who had no desire or interest.Williams is known for his glass jaw and the fight last night made harrison look good.the only attraction was an all british fight ,a half decent yank boxer would spank him!lol
 

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Has Harrison stopped being everyones runner in Wembley and Harrow yet lol

Overrated and no chance against anyone half decent lol
 

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:yes: Have to say Harrison looked impressive. It was only Danny Williams but he was clinical in finishing him off. Although I missed the Cage Rage last night night where apparently a bloke carried on fighting and won his match with a bone sticking through his arm or something :eek: Beat that Frampton.

Danilo Cherman. Had his arm snapped in the second round, but kept it quiet. Won on points in the end then showed his arm with grotesque protrusion just below the elbow :yuck:

Daisuke Nakamura had his arm broken by Shaolin as well but the referee stopped the contest, when the ref saw his arm bending in a direction that really shouldn't have been physically possible. Nakamura was still complaining that he wanted to continue. (What's Japanese for "Tis just a flesh wound!")



Harrison will never win a world title.He beat a danny williams who's claim to fame is beating mike tyson who had no desire or interest.Williams is known for his glass jaw and the fight last night made harrison look good.the only attraction was an all british fight ,a half decent yank boxer would spank him!lol

There are no decent yank boxers. However, the likes of Wladimir Klitschko, Sergei Liakovich, Nikolai Valuev and Ruslan Chagaev e.t.c would beat him.
 

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Williams took the fight at a weeks notice.

He really had no chance against Harrision who had been training for months to fight Skelton.

He was mad to take the fight in the first place.
 

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Williams took the fight at a weeks notice.

He really had no chance against Harrision who had been training for months to fight Skelton.

He was mad to take the fight in the first place.

Didn't Williams say in the prelims he'd been in training for eight weeks and was a stone or more lighter than the last meeting and he was happy with that?

Harrision started well for the 1st half of the opening round then went into his shell. It was Williams reaction to the cuts which made him fight and thus Harrision had to defend himself. Audrey's got all the attributes and skill to be a world champion (and gawd knows there's enough people being accused of that status) but he's missing the desire of a true fighter. He's a big girl's blouse with knobs on*.









* Said from the safety of being hidden behind me keyboard
 

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He wasn't going to say he'd been sitting on his arse for months watching Neighbours and eating KFC was he?
 

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Diego Corrales killed in Motorcycle Accident.

R.I.P Chico :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6633887.stm

Diego Corrales dies aged 29 in accident

Former two-weight world champion Diego Corrales died on Monday in a Las Vegas motorcycle accident, exactly two years since his finest moment in the ring.
The 29-year-old Californian will be remembered for his epic win against super-featherweight and lightweight champion Jose Luis Castillo.
Corrales dragged himself off the canvas to force a thrilling stoppage victory, but lost the rematch.
His final record was 40 wins (33 knockouts) and five defeats.
After the Castillo bouts, Corrales lost his next two fights against Joel Casamayor, in 2006, and again against Joshua Clottey last month.
Promoter Gary Shaw said: "I am proud to have promoted one of the true warriors of the game.
"My heart goes out to his wife and kids. Boxing has lost one of the most exciting fighters in the ring."
 

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R.I.P Chico :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6633887.stm

Diego Corrales dies aged 29 in accident

Former two-weight world champion Diego Corrales died on Monday in a Las Vegas motorcycle accident, exactly two years since his finest moment in the ring.
The 29-year-old Californian will be remembered for his epic win against super-featherweight and lightweight champion Jose Luis Castillo.
Corrales dragged himself off the canvas to force a thrilling stoppage victory, but lost the rematch.
His final record was 40 wins (33 knockouts) and five defeats.
After the Castillo bouts, Corrales lost his next two fights against Joel Casamayor, in 2006, and again against Joshua Clottey last month.
Promoter Gary Shaw said: "I am proud to have promoted one of the true warriors of the game.
"My heart goes out to his wife and kids. Boxing has lost one of the most exciting fighters in the ring."


Shocked to hear this on five live today - if anyone loves boxing just watch the above mentioned fight, Corrales/Castillo which was just an absolute epic.
Sad loss indeed.
 

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Taken from http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/5549662When Marc Ratner resigned his office and took a position with the UFC, it signaled a major death toll for the sport of boxing.

All we fans warned you for three decades now that a couple of good fights a year would not keep us happy, yet you continue to feed us with bouts like Samuel Peter versus Julius Long. What was your thinking, that you could replace quality with hype and the next thing to come along wouldn't attract our fan base?


The problem is that as we wait to correct our issues the competition grows stronger and we weaken ourselves.

Boxing's death certificate will read suicide, because the cure is in front of us, but like the answer to most people's problems, the solution isn't easy, often more painful than the problem. So much money is tied up in built fighters that fortunes would be lost if we changed things making the status quo desirable.

.....

While promoters continue to focus on building individual fighter's records on the backs of a smaller pool of opponents, not one promoter sets aside prelims to build those opponents back wins and the commissions retire more and more fighters based on losses. Purses are beginning to grow smaller as ticket sales decrease on smaller shows.

Frankly, I have seen better fights between two .500 fighters than most of the main events in the last several years. Fighters, managers, and promoters continue to hype undefeated as a gauge for a fighters career while truthfully 80 percent of the undefeated fighters today would have been B fighters in the '30s.

We must begin to use quality of opposition as a gauge instead of wins and losses. The power to change our extinction lays only in the people in the business. It could lay in the hands of commissions who should force a boxer to face similar opposition instead of allowing undefeated versus a .500 guy but why would he or she want that headache and conflict with promoters.

I ask all our promoters out there: Is the remedy of fixing boxing — fighting your golden boys in tough fights consistently, being more concerned rebuilding boxing, winning fans instead of losing them — such a bitter treatment, such a bitter medicine, that it is better to go extinct holding a phony title with a phony record, than to survive and thrive?

Plainly a heartfelt message from someone who knows the fight game. However, the pursuit of fighting as a career has mostly been from areas that were suffering poverty and lack of opportunity and boxing was one of the few ways out of it for a some men with the strength, desire and ability. There have been precious few in the history of boxing who had any other way available to make a good living. Our school was big on boxing when I was there and although it was nice to win on the very few occasions that happened, I mostly remember how it hurt when someone hit me. If people can make their living without having to be whacked about the head and body most will choose the painless option almost every time. One or two of my school contemporaries were really good boxers and more than capable of a professional career in that sport but they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

The school, along with most if not all of the schools we fought against, have long since abandoned boxing. Is it possibly the source drying up that deprives the fight business of the talented boxers needed for their promotions?[/QUOTE]
 

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I remember similar debates in the mid eighties, then Tyson comes along and its ker-ching time!

Building up fighters records is as old as the hills, even Joe Louis had a "bum of the month" club (or whatever it was called)

I think the nineties in particular saw a golden era in boxing, particularly in this country. It is only to be expected that there will be dips as well as peaks.

The De La Hoya/Mayweather fight (and the money earned) shows there is still huge interest in boxing.

It is a sport with a huge and proud history and WWE/UFC/MMA will never ever replace it.
 

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The school, along with most if not all of the schools we fought against, have long since abandoned boxing. Is it possibly the source drying up that deprives the fight business of the talented boxers needed for their promotions?

Actually some schools have started to reintroduce boxing (albeit a somewhat "safer" version)

However, its the boxing clubs that were always the draw when I was a kid. I have no idea if any of these are still going though.
 
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