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Phil Giles

I know he was a Benham/Smartodds man. I also know it’s not quite the same as the market for a player or coach where there is a lot of poaching between clubs.

But this guy has got an incredible record. Since he has been in charge of the minutiae of negotiations for our ins and outs, we have managed to turn a monumental profit whilst maintaining an ‘above-our-weight’ position for 4 seasons in a row. We have got a reputation for it now, it’s no longer under the radar or questioned by the media.

Surely a Premier League club (perhaps Newcastle) will eventually offer him a serious role?

P.S - Mods feel free to merge with some of the earlier threads.
 

Phil Giles

This has been mentioned many times before. He’d have to leave smartodds first......MB would have another in the pipeline....
 

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BFC1997 said:
I know he was a Benham/Smartodds man. I also know it’s not quite the same as the market for a player or coach where there is a lot of poaching between clubs.

But this guy has got an incredible record. Since he has been in charge of the minutiae of negotiations for our ins and outs, we have managed to turn a monumental profit whilst maintaining an ‘above-our-weight’ position for 4 seasons in a row. We have got a reputation for it now, it’s no longer under the radar or questioned by the media.

Surely a Premier League club (perhaps Newcastle) will eventually offer him a serious role?

P.S - Mods feel free to merge with some of the earlier threads.
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He's firmly in "Team Benham" (or so I am assured). But even he says that everyone has their price. Just that I'd like to think that Phil's is about £1bn. Seriously, I'm actually quite impressed with him. He basically runs the club, and thank **** for that.
 

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BFC1997 said:
I know he was a Benham/Smartodds man. I also know it’s not quite the same as the market for a player or coach where there is a lot of poaching between clubs.

But this guy has got an incredible record. Since he has been in charge of the minutiae of negotiations for our ins and outs, we have managed to turn a monumental profit whilst maintaining an ‘above-our-weight’ position for 4 seasons in a row. We have got a reputation for it now, it’s no longer under the radar or questioned by the media.

Surely a Premier League club (perhaps Newcastle) will eventually offer him a serious role?

P.S - Mods feel free to merge with some of the earlier threads.
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I reckon Rasmus will go before him, he's more glamourous.
 

Phil Giles

BFC1997 said:
I know he was a Benham/Smartodds man. I also know it’s not quite the same as the market for a player or coach where there is a lot of poaching between clubs.

But this guy has got an incredible record. Since he has been in charge of the minutiae of negotiations for our ins and outs, we have managed to turn a monumental profit whilst maintaining an ‘above-our-weight’ position for 4 seasons in a row. We have got a reputation for it now, it’s no longer under the radar or questioned by the media.

Surely a Premier League club (perhaps Newcastle) will eventually offer him a serious role?

P.S - Mods feel free to merge with some of the earlier threads.
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Just think if he hadn't got that weather forecast wrong back in 1987 (someone phoned the BBC and said there was a hurricane on the way), then he probably wouldn't have joined Smartodds and become our super DOF !
 

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While I have no doubt Phil Giles is also invaluable to the club, it’s all the resources at Smartodds that we rely on really, and as Benham owns that we should be fine.
 

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BFC1997 said:
I know he was a Benham/Smartodds man. I also know it’s not quite the same as the market for a player or coach where there is a lot of poaching between clubs.

But this guy has got an incredible record. Since he has been in charge of the minutiae of negotiations for our ins and outs, we have managed to turn a monumental profit whilst maintaining an ‘above-our-weight’ position for 4 seasons in a row. We have got a reputation for it now, it’s no longer under the radar or questioned by the media.

Surely a Premier League club (perhaps Newcastle) will eventually offer him a serious role?

P.S - Mods feel free to merge with some of the earlier threads.
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I'm not going to disagree with you, however I will point out - its not always greener outside the club.

We say that often about the players, and mostly we are right. Only a few have really gone on to bigger things, earned more money and better transfers.
But what about backroom staff?

Let's go back to when we had Uwe Rosler.
Uwe Rosler left us for Wigan, done well in his first season, but his first FULL season, he got sacked after a poor start. Same happened at Leeds, and eventually ended up at Fleetwood before he, again, was sacked. He actually went backwards after us and is now in Sweden with Malmo.
Mark Warburton.... Left us for Rangers, resigned in similar fashion to us (couldn't hack it? wasn't in his control no more?) and left. Then went to Nottingham Forest before being sacked there after 6-7 months which included a Summer break and is now at QPR. David Weir is in this boat as he followed Mark.
Frank McParland tried to do things his way. Wasn't allowed and was sacked for it. He then went to Rangers with Mark and quit with Mark and David. When Mark got the Forest job, he went there and, again, got dismissed. Currently unemployed.
Andy Scott. I like Andy. He is humble and honest, even if he does love a right winger. He left us for Watford. Done relatively well there before losing his job (contract not extended). Recently taken on a role at Swansea. Had it easy with us if you ask me.
Dean Smith (and his team) are probably the only ones to leave and excel - but in truth it should have happened anyway at Aston Villa with the squad he had but he is an exciting (and relatively) young in the managerial world. He will improve and I hope they do well that his own profile gets bigger. I like Dean.
I can not really write much on Marinus as he was here 5 minutes....
Am I missing anyone?
Coaches?

What I am saying is, if Phil did leave Smartodds and went to someone like Newcastle, there is absolutely no guarantee that he can replicate the type of business he has done with us. The margins are finer up in the premier league. Can easily sign a £30m striker but to get a good profit from them you are expecting him to be able to sign these to sell again at approximately £70m. It is just not possible on a consistent basis. What has helped us is the coaching team that we have too. They have a great influence on the players progress, not just who we sign.
 

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Just been on LinkedIn and seen the "team" at Smartodds.

Some wonderful people who work as experts for countries/regions you'd never thought we, Brentford, would ever look at but because of the position of PG, it is clear we do.
I've seen someone who is expert in Mexican football, Turkish, one who is watching Swedish (and Australian, weird combo) football. All these have some form of scouting connection to Brentford FC too in their profiles.
 

Phil Giles

That’s the Smartodds business. They have every game in the world covered. Paying stats analysts to watch and report back.
 

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wanderer paul said:
That’s the Smartodds business. They have every game in the world covered. Paying stats analysts to watch and report back.
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No, I get that.
I meant, the first 5-6 I looked at (data analysts) also list being a Brentford scout too.....
That is the crazy part. I imagine their scouting range is literally the areas they cover in data analyst position.
 

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ladbroke said:
No, I get that.
I meant, the first 5-6 I looked at (data analysts) also list being a Brentford scout too.....
That is the crazy part. I imagine their scouting range is literally the areas they cover in data analyst position.
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Which is why we are the envy of every other Championship club, Wilder last year said he could only dream of the recruitment network we have in place and that it would need Sheff Utd to sign 60 of the most experienced scouts across Europe to compete. Great isn’t it
 

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sonofabee said:
Which is why we are the envy of every other Championship club, Wilder last year said he could only dream of the recruitment network we have in place and that it would need Sheff Utd to sign 60 of the most experienced scouts across Europe to compete. Great isn’t it
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Except they bought well to get promoted to the PL... we're still in the Championship.

Excluding that, even I'm jealous of us lol
 

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ladbroke said:
Except they bought well to get promoted to the PL... we're still in the Championship.

Excluding that, even I'm jealous of us lol
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They have average home gate of 26K over last two seasons so have far greater resources and salary structure. We can’t match that so rely on MB strategy
 

Phil Giles

Let’s not forget Rasmus, he must get some credit as well. As a pair they are brilliant and have proved invaluable. To think they both got so much grief from our fans for quite a while!
 

Phil Giles

Diamond's - we are so very lucky to have them...
 

Phil Giles

This is all well and good but lets not forget he/they offered McEachran and Macleod new contracts last season.

Lucky to still be in the job imho.

:fishing:
 

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Houghton Bee said:
This is all well and good but lets not forget he/they offered McEachran and Macleod new contracts last season.

Lucky to still be in the job imho.

:fishing:
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Yeah but we don't know what they were like. Might have been for half of what they were on.
 

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Brentford 4 Life said:
Let’s not forget Rasmus, he must get some credit as well. As a pair they are brilliant and have proved invaluable. To think they both got so much grief from our fans for quite a while!
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I remember the ones who still post now after the grief they gave plus the ones who said we needed Frank and Warb’s contacts as they were proper football men. When I see that they’ve posted I tend to skip them.
 

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wadbee said:
Just think if he hadn't got that weather forecast wrong back in 1987 (someone phoned the BBC and said there was a hurricane on the way), then he probably wouldn't have joined Smartodds and become our super DOF !
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That was Michael Fish
 

Phil Giles

Does anyone have a feel for whether the 'Brentford project' is perceived by MB as going better, worse or largely as expected from when he embarked upon it? Does he wake up each morning thinking "f*ck me this is going unbelievably well, much better than I could ever imagined" or is it more a case of "so far so good"
 

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BEEcool said:
Does he wake up each morning thinking...
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Probably something like: we're 7.3346% above our target trajectory but the rate of Type II error is 8%... so that's just fine and dandy... where's my breakfast?
 

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Brentford 4 Life said:
Let’s not forget Rasmus, he must get some credit as well. As a pair they are brilliant and have proved invaluable. To think they both got so much grief from our fans for quite a while!
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Has it ever been posted what the division of labour is between the two? Do they deal with different players or prts of the process?
 

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Downbeat Bee said:
Has it ever been posted what the division of labour is between the two? Do they deal with different players or prts of the process?
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Rasmus is more involved in the Scandinavian connections and Giles the rest. :shrug:
 

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wanderer paul said:
Rasmus is more involved in the Scandinavian connections and Giles the rest. :shrug:
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I get the impression that Rasmus does the 'dickhead' test; he does seem to mention about social media and talking to players in the dressing room of a target.
 

Phil Giles

Rasmus Ankersen is a people person and a business strategist. I understand he is largely responsible for the staffing structure at Jersey Road, the recruitment of coaches etc. He's also drafted in as a salesman when we are trying to get a deal over the line with a player, especially a Danish one, as was the case with Emiliano.

Wherease Phil Giles is a numbers man, a data analyst and negotiator. I understand he is largely responsible for player contracts, the day-to-day of transfer activity and the ongoing relationships with agents. Get the impression he's a lot more 'hands-on'.
 

Phil Giles

One of the most important appointments we have ever made ?
 

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BFC1997 said:
Rasmus Ankersen is a people person and a business strategist. I understand he is largely responsible for the staffing structure at Jersey Road, the recruitment of coaches etc. He's also drafted in as a salesman when we are trying to get a deal over the line with a player, especially a Danish one, as was the case with Emiliano.

Wherease Phil Giles is a numbers man, a data analyst and negotiator. I understand he is largely responsible for player contracts, the day-to-day of transfer activity and the ongoing relationships with agents. Get the impression he's a lot more 'hands-on'.
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Nope. Phil deals with domestic transfers and Rasmus is the link man for European deals; the latter’s reputation isn’t exactly fantastic over here so that’s how they split it.
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
I remember the ones who still post now after the grief they gave plus the ones who said we needed Frank and Warb’s contacts as they were proper football men. When I see that they’ve posted I tend to skip them.
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There were and still are a few on Facebook that give grief to Phil and Rasmus.
It’s honestly laughable...
 

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Really looking forward to his end of transfer window video explaining the events of this summer ...
 

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Indian Bee said:
Really looking forward to his end of transfer window video explaining the events of this summer ...
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Will be a feature length movie at this rate lol This transfer window is about as good as it gets for me - it was inevitable that at least one of the big 3 would have to be sold but the overall picture is much rosier now. Kudos to PG and RA.
 

Phil Giles

Phil have you changed your thoughts, you have said in the past that we will do our Transfer dealings at the start of the window. Here we are know gett 3 guys in at the end of the window..I don’t mind you changing
 

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Delbee said:
Phil have you changed your thoughts, you have said in the past that we will do our Transfer dealings at the start of the window. Here we are know gett 3 guys in at the end of the window..I don’t mind you changing
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Finally we're learning from those clubs that are 10 times better than us :sorted:
 

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Indian Bee said:
Really looking forward to his end of transfer window video explaining the events of this summer ...
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Maybe he'll just do one of those gangster videos where he just stands there for 10 seconds flicking notes up into the air "making it rain"........... ;)
 

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Delbee said:
Phil have you changed your thoughts, you have said in the past that we will do our Transfer dealings at the start of the window. Here we are know gett 3 guys in at the end of the window..I don’t mind you changing
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I imagine its more the way other clubs that have done their business that have ended up meaning these players joining very late on. With the kind of amounts weve spent this window we cant just bring people in "just in case" people leave which i why i think we will also see 1/2 leaving today also or if worst comes to worst then january
 

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gbems92 said:
I imagine its more the way other clubs that have done their business that have ended up meaning these players joining very late on. With the kind of amounts weve spent this window we cant just bring people in "just in case" people leave which i why i think we will also see 1/2 leaving today also or if worst comes to worst then january
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yep - plus we did do a fair bit of business early on, which enabled the likes of Raya, Pinnock and Norgaard to get integrated with the squad...
 

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nick logan said:
One of the most important appointments we have ever made ?
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Totally agree.

I seem to remember that when he first joined fans didn't warm to him, but boy what an appointment he was.
 

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TW3Bee said:
I seem to remember that when he first joined fans didn't warm to him, but boy what an appointment he was.
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When he first joined, he seemed nervous and uncomfortable in front of the camera or an audience of fans (probably not sure what we'd make of him, so understandable). Now he's been in the role for a few years, he knows that we know what a great job he does, so he has no reason to be nervous and comes across as knowledgeable, straightforward, honest and modest. There's almost nothing not to like about him. Aren't we lucky?
 

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He's got a ridiculously hard job dealing with unscrupulous and unrealistic agents. I'm sure he's tried his utmost to get the players in that we need and in the main he's succeeded. Any deals that fell through I'm sure wouldn't be from want of trying from our part.. The man deserves a pat on the back and a good sleep after what's probably bee a very stressful 48 hours for him.
 

Phil Giles

It is not just the buying but also the selling and fending off insufficient bids from the likes of Sheffield United. He does not roll over after a bit of pressure. As you say top man.
 

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BeeHomeSoon said:
There were and still are a few on Facebook that give grief to Phil and Rasmus.
It’s honestly laughable...
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Just pity them and move on, I get the impression some would be happier if they were still watching workmanlike but limited football being served up by a team destined to pay lower league football in front of 5K supporters every week.
Me I'm loving the last 5 years and hope it's like this for the rest of my days as far more exciting and enjoyable on the pitch compared to the previous 45 seasons before we were promoted
 
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