Igor Thiago (35 Viewers)

[brentfordfc4ever]

What an idiot, good riddance that he’s now out for 3 games. Wilson looked much better than him when he came on anyway.

Good riddance! Blimey!!

 

[gbems92]

When was the last time Wilson played 3 games in 10 days. Really bad timing for Ill discipline from Igor, I get his frustration constantly getting pulled and pushed about but you can't swing your arms around like that and lose control

 

[Sofasteve]

Agree.
Play Dango or Wilson down the middle with Dams in midfield with Yarmo and Vitaly. Kev and Anthony out wide. Sangare to come on to sustain the energy. Its a winner COYB

Isn't Schade our normal back up striker? Pre Wilson obviously.

 

[TorbayBee]

Isn't Schade our normal back up striker? Pre Wilson obviously.

Dango was a stand in striker for Bournemouth 2 years ago and scored a lot of goals so maybe that's an option to keep Kev on the wing

 

[Dribble chop]

Why the hell was our striker in the part of the pitch when he got his red card, no wonder he's scored so few goals if he's there!

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Regardless of how soft it is to some.

He let his team mates and the fans down today.

 

[LostBee]

Why the hell was our striker in the part of the pitch when he got his red card, no wonder he's scored so few goals if he's there!

So you don’t want our forwards to help out our defence when the need arises?

Strange attitude.

 

[DidntYouUsedToBee]

What an idiot, good riddance that he’s now out for 3 games. Wilson looked much better than him when he came on anyway.

We shall see how much better things are without Thiago. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't become the great saviour in his absence.

 

[Ashbee]

This season was always going to be tough for him after last years. Don’t think the World Cup did his confidence any good. He’s a marked man. He gets fouled a lot and refs are ignoring it with must be very frustrating for him

 

[stomalomalus]

I can't believe the amount of posts talking about him letting the team down, about good riddance, reacting so negatively to Igor when he gives his all for this club week in week out. Recently with very little reward.

On the decision, I think it's a disgrace and I think it's the absolute reason why I cannot really watch football anymore. These kind of decisions just play into the idea that players should go down clutching their face as if Mike Tyson has planted a right hook, no matter what happens.

That players can foul our players with impunity.

Shirt pulling is fine, squaring up is fine, but when a player tries to get rid of you and accidentally hits you in the chin because you will not leave him alone...you go down like a sack of potatoes.

This is a blight on the game. And it's not just in our games.

Last week I watched the Liverpool Arsenal game, and it was almost unwatchable because of the play-acting and refereeing standards.

Igor has gone this season being fouled about 10x more times than he has been fouled, yet he's received 4 yellows, 3 of them extremely harsh, and 1 ridiculous red, while the aggressors have gone unsanctioned.

Jacquet still has employment as a football player instead of as an actor.

Don't get on the back of a young man. FFS guys. He is our player. He gives his all. He fights for every ball, he shows passion, he scores goals. He is our player and to blast him like this for a contentious decision. Sorry, but that is unacceptable in my eyes.

 

[Jezybee]

I can't believe the amount of posts talking about him letting the team down, about good riddance, reacting so negatively to Igor when he gives his all for this club week in week out. Recently with very little reward.

On the decision, I think it's a disgrace and I think it's the absolute reason why I cannot really watch football anymore. These kind of decisions just play into the idea that players should go down clutching their face as if Mike Tyson has planted a right hook, no matter what happens.

That players can foul our players with impunity.

Shirt pulling is fine, squaring up is fine, but when a player tries to get rid of you and accidentally hits you in the chin because you will not leave him alone...you go down like a sack of potatoes.

This is a blight on the game. And it's not just in our games.

Last week I watched the Liverpool Arsenal game, and it was almost unwatchable because of the play-acting and refereeing standards.

Igor has gone this season being fouled about 10x more times than he has been fouled, yet he's received 4 yellows, 3 of them extremely harsh, and 1 ridiculous red, while the aggressors have gone unsanctioned.

Jacquet still has employment as a football player instead of as an actor.

Don't get on the back of a young man. FFS guys. He is our player. He gives his all. He fights for every ball, he shows passion, he scores goals. He is our player and to blast him like this for a contentious decision. Sorry, but that is unacceptable in my eyes.

That’s a lot of words to say he’s a silly man but we shouldn’t beat up on him; which is the right sentiment.
When we now go on a 3 game winning run, let’s see if he comes straight back into the side.

 

[Baubaul]

Silly sod, shouldn’t get trapped like an amateur.

The problem now is that he and Yarmo are going to be targeted non stop and the refs aren’t going to be lenient with them.

I hear Keith after every red card we need to learn from this …well did we?

 

[Guildford Bee]

Regardless of whether it was justified or not he gave the ref a decision to make.

He didn’t need to throw his arm up like that and he’s cost us. Utterly moronic.

 

[readingbee]

I can't believe the amount of posts talking about him letting the team down, about good riddance, reacting so negatively to Igor when he gives his all for this club week in week out. Recently with very little reward.

On the decision, I think it's a disgrace and I think it's the absolute reason why I cannot really watch football anymore. These kind of decisions just play into the idea that players should go down clutching their face as if Mike Tyson has planted a right hook, no matter what happens.

That players can foul our players with impunity.

Shirt pulling is fine, squaring up is fine, but when a player tries to get rid of you and accidentally hits you in the chin because you will not leave him alone...you go down like a sack of potatoes.

This is a blight on the game. And it's not just in our games.

Last week I watched the Liverpool Arsenal game, and it was almost unwatchable because of the play-acting and refereeing standards.

Igor has gone this season being fouled about 10x more times than he has been fouled, yet he's received 4 yellows, 3 of them extremely harsh, and 1 ridiculous red, while the aggressors have gone unsanctioned.

Jacquet still has employment as a football player instead of as an actor.

Don't get on the back of a young man. FFS guys. He is our player. He gives his all. He fights for every ball, he shows passion, he scores goals. He is our player and to blast him like this for a contentious decision. Sorry, but that is unacceptable in my eyes.

I pretty sure their player got a yellow card from the ref as did Thiago. It was the VAR intervention that changed the card. Though to be fair from where we were sitting it looked like a straight Red and I was amazed that he only got a yellow. There was only one way things would go as soon as the VAR interygame up on the big screen.

 

[unBEEliveable]

A position that we don’t have cover for in terms of like for like and he decides to do that after the Yaemo red - let everyone down today and owes us

 

[Gee Bee]

That’s a lot of words to say he’s a silly man but we shouldn’t beat up on him; which is the right sentiment.
When we now go on a 3 game winning run, let’s see if he comes straight back into the side.

We’re going to have to manage the ball better to go on a winning run imho.

 

[Dribble chop]

So you don’t want our forwards to help out our defence when the need arises?

Strange attitude.

Firstly, not if he can't defend! secondly, there were all the other players to defend, I want our striker to be in a position where he can score, not get sent off.

 

[bee1958]

Seen in the urinals. Seems ironic given the treatment that Thiago got from Brighton players and officials.

 

[Jago16]

Pretty balanced on the Brighton message board (easier when you win and you're second in the league) that (i) Thiago was stupid to be goaded into it (ii) their player was an embarrassment (not least for first holding his eye and then moving to his mouth) and (iii) yellow for both was all it needed

 

[stevil]

Thoughts and prayers with Chema at this difficult time. Sickening facial injury.

 

[Jakalo]

I can't believe the amount of posts talking about him letting the team down, about good riddance, reacting so negatively to Igor when he gives his all for this club week in week out. Recently with very little reward.

On the decision, I think it's a disgrace and I think it's the absolute reason why I cannot really watch football anymore. These kind of decisions just play into the idea that players should go down clutching their face as if Mike Tyson has planted a right hook, no matter what happens.

That players can foul our players with impunity.

Shirt pulling is fine, squaring up is fine, but when a player tries to get rid of you and accidentally hits you in the chin because you will not leave him alone...you go down like a sack of potatoes.

This is a blight on the game. And it's not just in our games.

Last week I watched the Liverpool Arsenal game, and it was almost unwatchable because of the play-acting and refereeing standards.

Igor has gone this season being fouled about 10x more times than he has been fouled, yet he's received 4 yellows, 3 of them extremely harsh, and 1 ridiculous red, while the aggressors have gone unsanctioned.

Jacquet still has employment as a football player instead of as an actor.

Don't get on the back of a young man. FFS guys. He is our player. He gives his all. He fights for every ball, he shows passion, he scores goals. He is our player and to blast him like this for a contentious decision. Sorry, but that is unacceptable in my eyes.

One of very few sensible posts on this thread tonight. Glad it’s the most liked.

 

[Gawain]

Regardless of how soft it is to some.

He let his team mates and the fans down today.

Quite right (imo).

On which point, I might have understood had he lashed out eg on 70 minutes, after being assailed by two great lumps throughout - see eg the Forest game.

But there was hardly a great deal of provocation this time, that I saw, at least.

 

[Frothybaby]

Quite right (imo).

On which point, I might have understood had he lashed out eg on 70 minutes, after being assailed by two great lumps throughout - see eg the Forest game.

But there was hardly a great deal of provocation this time, that I saw, at least.

IT seemed to be having a barney with all the defenders before the red card incident.

 

[BaildonBee]

The Game has Gone as Johnathan Pierce just said on Match of the Day

 

[cliffbee]

The Game has Gone as Johnathan Pierce just said on Match of the Day

The more times I watch the incident the more I think we should appeal, and I'm not someone who blindly backs our players when they do wrong. The Brighton player approached him aggressively and Thiago was trying to shrug him off when his arm made contact. He wasn't even looking at the player as he did it. It was careless but was there really any intent to strike him, especially as his arm kind of bounced off from the chest into the head? I think it's 50-50 whether it would be overturned but definitely worth a go.
On the bigger issue, I totally agree with Motd pundits saying that players are cynically instigating a confrontation then going down holding their face as soon as there is any contact.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It wasn't deliberate, that's for sure which according to the law is a requirement for violent conduct.

 

[upnorthbee]

What an idiot, good riddance that he’s now out for 3 games. Wilson looked much better than him when he came on anyway.

I'll bite. "Wilson looked much better". "Good riddance".

What a load of garbage, call yourself a supporter?

Igor's been working his bollox off this season, scored a few goals and is our best defender from set pieces.

Ask Everton, Man United and Arsenal if they'd rather we played Wilson or Thiago.

 

[FunkyZeus]

Didn’t see the game, and just watched some highlights.

Feels like understandable frustration pent up from the past number of games where he’s been man-handled, shoved and pushed around this season within anything going in his favour (thinking Forest last weekend).

 

[aawharris]

A position that we don’t have cover for in terms of like for like and he decides to do that after the Yaemo red - let everyone down today and owes us

He "owes us" the grand total of nothing

 

[Stanley]

I’ve watched it back and I’m thinking its actually quite a harsh decision, hardly the justified lashing out I was giving him credit for.

Definite play-acting involved by the Brighton man, who fouls him, and initiates the altercation with a push.

Honestly don’t believe this meets the threshold for violent conduct. Contrast with the attempted GBH from Pedro on Yarmo that time which went unpunished after review.

Agree, worth an appeal by the club?

 

[Guildford Bee]

Agree, worth an appeal by the club?

If we didn’t appeal the Yarmo one we won’t appeal this. It would be futile.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

If we didn’t appear the Yarmo one we won’t appeal this. It would be futile.

I think this difference between the two is how deliberate the actions were. I'd like us to try, just to make the argument.

 

[badgerbee]

Yeah, this is the thing for me.
Is what IT did yesterday much (any?) different from what you see in every game where a player is being manhandled. And when trying to get away, flicks out an arm/hand that sometimes happens to catch the other player in the face. The 'grappler' invariably collapses to the floor holding their face, but I don't recall ever seeing the 'grapplee' (is that a word??!!) sent off.

 

[Mjlumley]

The more times I watch the incident the more I think we should appeal, and I'm not someone who blindly backs our players when they do wrong. The Brighton player approached him aggressively and Thiago was trying to shrug him off when his arm made contact. He wasn't even looking at the player as he did it. It was careless but was there really any intent to strike him, especially as his arm kind of bounced off from the chest into the head? I think it's 50-50 whether it would be overturned but definitely worth a go.
On the bigger issue, I totally agree with Motd pundits saying that players are cynically instigating a confrontation then going down holding their face as soon as there is any contact.

 

[Mjlumley]

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I am not so sure an appeal is even being looked. Consider the evidence!

 

[Untouchable]

Yeah, this is the thing for me.
Is what IT did yesterday much (any?) different from what you see in every game where a player is being manhandled. And when trying to get away, flicks out an arm/hand that sometimes happens to catch the other player in the face. The 'grappler' invariably collapses to the floor holding their face, but I don't recall ever seeing the 'grapplee' (is that a word??!!) sent off.

MOTD got this right:


View: https://x.com/bbcmotd/status/2119677662603948140?a=JE8z55ipVenxIqMKT8o&s=61

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I am not so sure an appeal is even being looked. Consider the evidence!

A still shot isn't evidence, it doesn't give any context.

 

[aslan]

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Now show the video of what actually happened.. Even VAR should've shown the three seconds preceeding this.

 

[MinkyBee]

Why the hell was our striker in the part of the pitch when he got his red card, no wonder he's scored so few goals if he's there!

In the same way that Ivan Toney was expected to. Igor Thiago has over the last few seasons is one of the most successful players in the PL for winning defensive headers from corners.
It is commonly expected in the modern game for forwards to help out with defensive duties , in the same way defenders will find themselves in attacking situations.

My personal thoughts are the club should appeal to downgrade the Red to a single game ban, as I feel the was more a case of ‘self defence’, and not violent conduct. Igor was trying to walk away from the confrontation.
It’s all about opinions I guess. I saw it in real time and VAR SHOULD NOT BE Watched in Slow motion, as this gives false insight to a real time scenario.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Here's a picture of James Tarkowski elbowing Ethan Pinnock in the head on Friday. Looks pretty bad from that picture to me but Stuart Atwell saw no issue with it. Rightly so, it was accidental.

 

[Untouchable]

Here's a picture of James Tarkowski elbowing Ethan Pinnock in the head on Friday

With his right arm. With his left hand he’s deliberately pulling the hair of the Coventry defender.

Not a foul though.

 

[Kingston Bee]

The more times I watch the incident the more I think we should appeal, and I'm not someone who blindly backs our players when they do wrong. The Brighton player approached him aggressively and Thiago was trying to shrug him off when his arm made contact. He wasn't even looking at the player as he did it. It was careless but was there really any intent to strike him, especially as his arm kind of bounced off from the chest into the head? I think it's 50-50 whether it would be overturned but definitely worth a go.
On the bigger issue, I totally agree with Motd pundits saying that players are cynically instigating a confrontation then going down holding their face as soon as there is any contact.

Agree with your sentiment however, there is no way i can us winning any appeal. I suppose we could make the case that Oliver didnt think it was a sending off in real time, or does that go down as a mistake by him.

 

[stevil]

Here's a picture of James Tarkowski elbowing Ethan Pinnock in the head on Friday. Looks pretty bad from that picture to me but Stuart Atwell saw no issue with it. Rightly so, it was accidental.

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Is that the same Stuart Atwell who deemed Thiago's action to be deliberate?

 

[COYB25]

I have see. Thiago’s interaction from 3 angles now. Front row in person (from that angle it did look intentional), but from two other angles it’s clearly an accident IMO, hes not looking directly at him and his arm is just trying to get him away and travels up as shrugs him off. I can’t see any intention to hurt him. Yes, always better to not react, but this would be cleared by other officials to a yellow most other times
2 different angles

Match of the Day: Did Igor Thiago deserve to see red for clash with Chema Andres?

www.bbc.co.uk

View: https://x.com/ayubafootball/status/2119436827928969261?a=3ValjTwT2Dt2qOnQe6s&s=46

 

[COYB25]

2 years ago Joao Pedro at Brighton tried to elbow Yehor in the face, was really deliberate. Elbow raised so high, he looked as he did it, and brought it back with such force… yet it got cleared and he got away with it.
Yes he missed luckily but the rules are about intention too. Had he caught Yehor that would have been a very nasty facial injury.

 

[Jago16]

I hope we appeal this because yellow card was the correct decision and VAR have become wrongly involved

 

[taxi driver]

2 years ago Joao Pedro at Brighton tried to elbow Yehor in the face, was really deliberate. Elbow raised so high, he looked as he did it, and brought it back with such force… yet it got cleared and he got away with it.
Yes he missed luckily but the rules are about intention too. Had he caught Yehor that would have been a very nasty facial injury.

Yep.

It's bewildering really.

 

[allanfinnie]

Does Andres, when getting up clash heads
with Thiago ?
Can’t really see, but looks like he moves his
head aggressively towards Igor

 

[jlove]

2 years ago Joao Pedro at Brighton tried to elbow Yehor in the face, was really deliberate. Elbow raised so high, he looked as he did it, and brought it back with such force… yet it got cleared and he got away with it.
Yes he missed luckily but the rules are about intention too. Had he caught Yehor that would have been a very nasty facial injury.

Whataboutery doesn't affect the VAR/referee's decision on the pitch. His explanation for upgrading the yellow to red was ‘... pushes his opponent in the face with force’ which was clearly true. Chema Andrés' actions before and during the incident are clearly mitigating circumstances but the reason for sending him off was accurate.

Keith post-match refers to the trend for players to bait opponents, feign facial injuries and generally aim to get opponents sent off – that's a whole different discussion that needs to be had but it's at a different level. Our players need more control over their emotions and we must've known we were going to get a high press 'on-the-edge' game, so it must've been in the briefing.

It happened, we move on and look forward to seeing Igor in our home game with City in four weeks' time.

 

[TorbayBee]

When was the last time Wilson played 3 games in 10 days. Really bad timing for Ill discipline from Igor, I get his frustration constantly getting pulled and pushed about but you can't swing your arms around like that and lose control

Could I have one on Science and Nature please?